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Was just talking at dinner with family, and it seems a logical action to ban circumcision, as in most cases, doesn't have consent, and is a major (genitals are important) body modification. Can we ban it at the state level? Just a thought.

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[–] voltaric@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There is a lot of misinformation in this post. Here's a snippet of my research about the anatomy of the penis and the damage of circumcision causes.

The foreskin has specialized nerve endings called Meissner's Corpsucles located at the tip in an area called the ridged band. It is connected to the penis by the extension of the shaft skin in areas called the outer foreskin and the inner foreskin. The inner foreskin is rich with sensory receptors and is a inner mucosa similar to the inside of our cheeks. It keeps the glans moist and protected from the environment. The inner foreskin is attached to the head of the penis by a membrane called the frenulum. The frenulum is an erogenous zone that is mostly removed by a circumcision procedure.

When a child or baby is circumcised, the foreskin is forcibly removed from the glans which scars and damages the glans. The foreskin is adhered to the glans like a fingernail. When a boy hits puberty the foreskin naturally retracts. In rare cases, phimosis happens which is when the foreskin is unable to retract. Non-surgical solutions to phimosis are stretching the foreskin over a span of time and/or applying steroid creme.

Circumcision is extremely painful for babies and children. Cortisol spikes in babies when they are circumcised. Babies will pass out during the procedure as many circumcisions are done with inadequate anesthetic.

The foreskin is self-cleaning like the vagina. Rinsing in the shower is enough usually for hygiene. Caregivers who retract the foreskin of their children will damage the child's genitals. The only person who should retract the foreskin is the children as it will naturally retract with age. Some boys are unable to retract their foreskin until their late teens or early adulthood.

This information is not foreign to the medical world. Most medical and political professionals have a bias for the circumcision ritual. Circumcision is the same for boys as it is for girls as the objective of circumcision is to harm the sexual function of the child.

Modern circumcision for males is extremely harsh as it removes 60-80% of penile skin. Many men do not have frenulums from the procedure. It is possible to repair some of the damage by using mitosis to restore skin coverage. It is not currently possible to repair tissue that was completely removed. Foregen is a non-profit researching ways to completely repair the damage caused by circumcision.

For men impacted by this and want to do something for themselves

  • Look into foreskin restoration
  • Donate to foregen

Warning that this topic draws a lot of insane people with genital mutilation fetishes. Any of the comments advocating for circumcision are either men who were circumcised against their will, women who circumcised their children and haven't accepted the truth, or weirdos who want others to suffer.

[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Thank you so much for writing this up. I really appreciate the detailed post.

Most medical and political professionals have a bias for the circumcision ritual.

I think it's important to point out that this bias is mostly cultural. In many countries where ritual infant circumcision is the exception instead of the norm, medical personnel do not have a bias towards RIC.

Foreskin restoration is legit (even if it may sound crazy like regrowing limbs). I know we collectively dislike Reddit on here, but the subreddit /r/foreskin_restoration has a really supportive and welcoming community and a lot of resources about how to get started (check their wiki).

[–] Pandoras_Can_Opener@mander.xyz 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Personally I find it a lot more disturbing that intersex babies are still assgined a binary gender by a doctor and then get surgery to shape their genitals. The parents are often scaremongered and pressured into consenting and the affected people don't know it was done to them until firmly into adulthood. It's often a sterilising surgery too.

If you are against doctors doing gender changing surgery, please start with the babies? But oh no! Then the argument that there are only two genders falls apart.

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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 months ago (14 children)

It would require that a significant portion of the population admit their parents mutilated them as infants.

For some reason, they refuse to admit they were mutilated without their consent.

Some of them have subsequently mutilated their own sons, and admitting that was mutilation is beyond their capacity.

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[–] neomachino@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Cutting a piece of your baby's junk off for no other reason then everyone does it is a really weird thing that I've never been able to wrap my head around.

I'm not religious but I at least can understand if it's for religious reason, there's a point to it, even if I don't agree with/understand the point. But people seem to just do it for no reason aside from it's what people do. It's forced genital mutilation anyway you look at it.

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Here's another question along the same lines - my friend when I was a kid developed gynecomastia, commonly known as "breast knots" when he was 14. They're completely harmless, but they made it look like he had boobs. Cute little A cups on this otherwise very boy-presenting person. For some reason, no one thought it was "against God's plan" or "mutilating his body" or "part of the gender agenda" when this 14 year old boy had a purely cosmetic double mastectomy. I wonder why no one batted an eye at a child receiving gender-affirming cosmetic surgery just because he wanted to in this particular case.

[–] AuroraZzz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Circumcisions should be banned because they are mutilating children's genitals without consent. At least trans medical procedures have consent.

I think it's just religious people being hypocrites again. Hard to convince delusional people of facts when they make up what they believe based on the circumstances. The decisions of religious cults shouldn't have more power than the decisions of individual people. Completely crazy what this country is devolving into

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 0 points 6 months ago (7 children)

There is scientific evidence that circumcision results in the area being cleaner and easier to maintain. I'm not denying it is child mutilation, but you also shouldn't just sweep it under the rug as religious bullshittery.

[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

If god wanted my parents to cut part of my dick off why did she put it there in the first place? Are you saying god made a mistake?

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

it'd be easier to brush your teeth if you didn't have any teeth

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It's not really about the evidence though.

45 years ago my parents genuinely thought they were doing the right thing by asking the Dr to circumcise me.

They weren't great at critical thinking and have made numerous poor decisions in their lives as a result of vibe-based reasoning.

You can say I was "mutilated" if you like, but I don't feel like a victim.

My parents also supported my education, where I learned to be skeptical, and challenge my preconceptions.

As a result, I didn't have my son circumcised.

[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 6 months ago

And if you shave your head, you don't have to brush your hair.

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Honestly such a weak argument. Having helped my uncircumcised son learn to keep himself clean, I can probably say this myth needs to be laid to rest already. It's just not true.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not just cleaner but you are also less prone to certain infections. I am circumcised, but it was done as a child. Knowing what I know now, I am glad since it decreases the risk for certain cancers and infections.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I never had not have ever heard of anyone I know having infections or cancers because of a foreskin.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Suggested. "However, this is unverified"

Okay mate.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The first link says it's unverified, and also says "suggest", not your phrasing.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You're not on your home turf anymore. Even fewer people put up with your shit here.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nah I get it. People don’t like science.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

People don't like you or your ideals.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My ideas are cited science and facts. Go troll someone else.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You prioritize rules and fake news over common decency and humanity and call it science.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Since you consider mayo and medical journals fake news. I’m blocking you.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can't hide from the truth.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

He is making a great effort at it though.

[–] BeepTheJeep@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

So, yeah. To paraphrase, "When reviewed by people without the same clear and obvious cultural bias, circumcision only conclusively provides an incredibly marginal benefit, with evidence lacking for other supposed (and still very marginal) benefits."

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As someone whose circumcision worked out perfectly fine and can't imagine myself without one, I still think it should be banned for babies and children under 18 for any reason other than medical necessity. Even a slight risk of problems outweighs the 'my dad did it and he turned out fine' or religious tradition arguments.

It should not be banned for adults who voluntarily choose it for themselves though.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

Can it be stopped? Yes

Should it be stopped? Yes

Will it be stopped? No.

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