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Was just talking at dinner with family, and it seems a logical action to ban circumcision, as in most cases, doesn't have consent, and is a major (genitals are important) body modification. Can we ban it at the state level? Just a thought.

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[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 0 points 8 months ago (7 children)

There is scientific evidence that circumcision results in the area being cleaner and easier to maintain. I'm not denying it is child mutilation, but you also shouldn't just sweep it under the rug as religious bullshittery.

It's not really about the evidence though.

45 years ago my parents genuinely thought they were doing the right thing by asking the Dr to circumcise me.

They weren't great at critical thinking and have made numerous poor decisions in their lives as a result of vibe-based reasoning.

You can say I was "mutilated" if you like, but I don't feel like a victim.

My parents also supported my education, where I learned to be skeptical, and challenge my preconceptions.

As a result, I didn't have my son circumcised.

[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago

And if you shave your head, you don't have to brush your hair.

[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

If god wanted my parents to cut part of my dick off why did she put it there in the first place? Are you saying god made a mistake?

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it'd be easier to brush your teeth if you didn't have any teeth

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Does your teeth develop phimosis?

[–] akakunai@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No. But, if they were to I reckon if I'd have the dentist look at them and decide what to do then...rather than rip 'em all out preemptively.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well one is done precautionary as it doesn't have any big life altering side effects while removing all your teeth does. I understand your enthusiasm but a little medical knowledge wouldn't hurt no one. It's also more difficult to get circ done after growing up.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well one is done precautionary as it doesn’t have any big life altering side effects

I mean, reduced sensation, higher rates of some kinds of sexual difficulty later in life, and like anything that causes pain and stress to a neonate there are signs that it can have long term psychological effects.

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You would only notice it if you get it done after growing up. I don't understand the logic here. Have you been circumcised?

[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago

Many men lose sensation over the course of their life. Circumcised men seem to be affected by this much more severeley (anecdotal experience).

I'm in my mid thirties, circumcised at birth, and feel virtually nothing on my glans. Any form of intimacy that involves my dick is more of a chore than anything else. And no, the problem is not that I wank too often or have some unhealthy porn consumption (pretty much non-existent).

Do you think it's okay to burn a clitoris if the girl hasn't had sex before? Can we blind babies because they will never know what they have lost?

Can we violate anyone's bodily autonomy as long as they will not remember what life was like before the violation?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Most cultures in the world don't circumcise and it doesn't cause much issue. It's only the US where it became so common, because the wacko Kellogg had enough money to push his weird ideas, and somehow people still follow it. You should follow his other "preventative" ideas if you think circumcision is such a great idea.

Here's a good video to get more ideas from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4ES8mOzYg

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not just cleaner but you are also less prone to certain infections. I am circumcised, but it was done as a child. Knowing what I know now, I am glad since it decreases the risk for certain cancers and infections.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I never had not have ever heard of anyone I know having infections or cancers because of a foreskin.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Suggested. "However, this is unverified"

Okay mate.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The first link says it's unverified, and also says "suggest", not your phrasing.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're not on your home turf anymore. Even fewer people put up with your shit here.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nah I get it. People don’t like science.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

People don't like you or your ideals.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My ideas are cited science and facts. Go troll someone else.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You prioritize rules and fake news over common decency and humanity and call it science.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Since you consider mayo and medical journals fake news. I’m blocking you.

[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can't hide from the truth.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

He is making a great effort at it though.

[–] BeepTheJeep@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

So, yeah. To paraphrase, "When reviewed by people without the same clear and obvious cultural bias, circumcision only conclusively provides an incredibly marginal benefit, with evidence lacking for other supposed (and still very marginal) benefits."