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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 122 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Explanation: Decimation was a military punishment in the Roman Empire, used primarily in the days of the Republic, and even then only rarely. In the case of extreme cowardice or mutiny of an entire unit, the unit would be condemned to decimation - in which they would be split into groups of 10 men, and draw lots or straws. The one who drew the shortest straw was then condemned to be beaten to death by the other 9. This was seen, to the Romans, both as a punishment and a redemption, as by participating as executors, the surviving soldiers are punished, but also are resubmitting to military discipline and enforcing it in the unit.

It was considered, even by Roman standards, to be a very harsh punishment, and only a handful of examples of the punishment are known to have been carried out, and each time it was considered a major and shocking event.

[–] Isa 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Interesting as well, as well … disgusting! I'm glad, that I wasn't born into that era.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The past is very often a brutal place! We live in deeply imperfect times in the modern day, and should not be satisfied with the flaws our societies have now, but it's good to reflect every once in a while how far we've come.

[–] Isa 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

True (even though some try with all their might to turn back to the "great old times").

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Combover Caligula

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

God-damn, as an American, that just killed the humor vibe right there. :(

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't worry, Caligula didn't win in the end.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, but everybody lost :(

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Caligula was succeeded by Claudius, whose reign was noble and fair. The golden age of the Five Good Emperors was yet to come. It ain't over until we stop fighting. o7

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Claudius, whose reign was noble and fair.

For the rich you mean? Probably wasn't much different for commoners and slaves.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Claudius opened up citizenship to the majority of the population of the Empire, granted slaves some of their first rights under Roman law, exempted hard-pressed local communities from taxes, built massive amounts of infrastructure for the usage of the public, repealed taxes on food, stabilized the grain supply to the city of Rome, expanded the Imperial bureaucracy of freedmen, and actually executed a large number of the wealthy elite for their plotting.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Wow Claudius sounds cool indeed.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Many of us live like the kings of the medieval era. Only the other day I cleaned my arse with a goose.

[–] superkret 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have no idea what to do with this comment.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Order a chicken next time you go out to eat and pretend you're King Richard the Lionheart about to be captured for eating too good while undercover.

Chicken was a not-uncommon meat for commoners, but still expensive enough so that if some traveler (who SHOULD be saving their money carefully) comes into a local tavern which wasn't planned on cooking any chickens today and says "Slaughter me, and me specifically, a chicken", he's clearly got money to spare.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Was the goose upset?

[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I thought maybe his name was Decimus.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Funny enough, Decimus means something similar - 'Tenth'. A lot of Roman praenomina (first names) were like that. Primus, Secundus, Tertius, Quartus, Quintus, Sextus, Septimus, Octavius, Nonus, Decimus. First through tenth! Not the most creative fellows, the Romans.

In their defense, birth order rarely correlated with their name - Decimus could just as easily be a firstborn child, or the fifth son.

[–] Successful_Try543 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

In their defense, birth order rarely correlated with their name - Decimus could just as easily be a firstborn child, or the fifth son.

This is something, I find more weird than defending. Or, in other words, TIL Romans were bad at counting.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well, at least you don't have a Primus in every family that way!

Or, in other words, TIL Romans were bad at counting.

lmao, there are other examples of Roman weirdness with numbers. For most of the Republic period, the year was expressed not by a number, but by which two consuls were elected that year. Ab Urbe Condita (AUC, 'From the founding of the city') was much more rare. "Draw 25 or use numbers like normal human beings."

[–] Successful_Try543 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I know about the way Romans counted time. Isn't also in the Bible, the year Jesus was born given as the year x of the reign of Augustus? Later, the pope who established the AD counting had lots of struggle summing up all the years of the emperors without counting some years twice.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep! In the Empire, there were often numerous consuls in a year instead of just two (being rotated out as a kind of 'gift' from the Emperor) so the norm for counting the year changed to how many years since the ruling Emperor came into power.

Funny how some things we take for granted, like an unborked date system, are actually innovations, and far from timeless (ha).

[–] Successful_Try543 2 points 1 month ago

TY, I didn't know, there were still consules in the Roman Empire.
Yes, a continuous calendar system makes things a lot easier.

[–] wanderer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Isn’t also in the Bible, the year Jesus was born given as the year x of the reign of Augustus?

No, it isn't. Descriptions of when he was born are vague and contradictory.

[–] Successful_Try543 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Indeed, e.g. the text of the Lukas Evangelium isn't that precise as I've thought I remember it.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of course they were. I give you proof they're even worse at math. Tell me quick, how much is

CMDIV + CCDDVIII

You actually needed to be 'very good' at math to fluently calculate with Roman numbers. However, I can't make sense of your examples.

[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Wait till Biggus Dickus hears of this

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Holy shit that’s brutal. Makes being killed by a firing squad or hung (broken neck variation) sound “humane”.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Remember, folks, if you're trying to describe more than 10% of something being destroyed, don't call it "decimation" because it's worse than that.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

This meme is decimating.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Decimating the countryside.

Decimating all the peasants.

Decimating all the villagers in their THATCH-ROOFED COTTAGES!

[–] GoTeamBoobies@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Trogdor was a man... I mean... he was a dragon man.... or maybe he was just a dragon...? But he was still

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Decimate your surroundings!

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I always wondered why would happen if the dude appeared dead but managed to live over the following days

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Some of your mates will start a cult about you.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I imagine if he was a smart fellow, he would take the opportunity to quietly disappear and start a new life before anyone got the bright idea to cut his throat to make sure.

Or perhaps it'd be regarded as a good omen. Romans were always fond of odd happenings being interpreted as some omen or another from the gods.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

I theorized the latter, and the legate would keep him in court, probably with a chicken on his head (due to massive concussion)

[–] JayEchoRay@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I am sure there might have had happened, but I strongly doubt it with the commander watching over the proceedings to assert their displeasure. I am sure the rare times it happened, the commander probably did a bit of shanking himself.

Would not be surprised if they "double-tapped" with the bodies being imspected and finished off with a unceremonious stab or throat cut to show mercy to a convulsing body, to then strip and dump it before moving on.

Just my uneducated guesswork ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Well I guess call them a prophet and create a new religion

[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm decimated seeing this...

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The weight of this word makes much more sense now.

[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah, this was a truly brutal practice.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Oh hey I got this one. I was one... Of the...

I must go

[–] mtpender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

[This post was made by Iron Warriors gang]

[–] BruceLee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Le frommage est battu~ ! Le frommage est battu~ ! Ho hé, ho hé, ho hé, le fromage est~ ba~ttu 🎶