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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 157 points 2 months ago (6 children)

And it's entirely preventable. We can afford to feed every single student every single day. It doesn't have to be a brown bag, sad little whitebread and cheese slice sandwich. It can be the same food everyone else eats. In fact, we spend more administering a for-profit food service payment system than we spend on the food. It would be cheaper to just give it away to everyone.

We know this because we did it during COVID. All of the schools closed, and the for-profit food providers were going to lose a lot of money. Sysco and Aramark and US Foods and Sodexo are all big donors to both parties, so we had to bail them out by buying the food. There wasn't a debate in congress, there wasn't any tax increase or funding shortfall. The money was just there because they wanted it.

Schools had more food than they knew what to do with. Food banks and public pantries were fully stocked, and school districts were begging parents to come take home some breakfasts and lunches.

It could really just be like that. No registers, no accounting, no shaming poor kids, no threatening demand letters, no lunch cards, no websites. Just feed children, because hungry children don't learn.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

There wasn’t a debate in congress, there wasn’t any tax increase or funding shortfall. The money was just there because they wanted it.

And then states like Missouri refused the money because Republicans hate children.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's so much worse than that.

During Covid, the money just went straight to the corporations, and the food went to the schools. With schools back in session, the Conservatives in the federal government put restrictions on the funding, requiring documentstion and forms for all of the students participating in the program. They wanted to make it as onerous and invasive as possible. This administrative red tape disproportionately affected the more densely populated regions, and also gave the conservative states a reason to decline participation. Because if Republicans are going to be forced to help children, by God they're going to use the statistics against their enemies.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This alone should be enough for a revolt

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure. Except those on the Left won't. Couple reasons:

  1. Can't agree on a reason.

  2. Won't agree on a where and when.

  3. Will disagree whether it's worth it right now.

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[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 23 points 2 months ago

I mean I hate children, but I still want them to have free food like eveyone else

[–] dumples@midwest.social 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Minnesota has free school lunch for all students. Thanks Walz....

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (8 children)

I haven't heard anything about Tim Walz that I didn't like.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

But how are you going to maintain an exploitable underclass, if you actually help poor people? Bet you didn't think of that, huh? Checkmate leftists!

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 93 points 2 months ago

Why do people keep asking if we're okay? No, we are clearly not completely fine. We're neck-deep in an information war and who will be the ultimate victor is very much undecided.

Frankly, we probably would've activated NATO's Article 5 provision by now, except what good would it do when all of our allies are already under the same sort of attack?

Seriously though, people do not call for civil war in countries that are doing completely fine. That is not a sign of robust civic health.

[–] guiseofthefox@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From Texas. When I was in elementary school circa 2000, we had a running balance that our parents could contribute to via written checks.

My parents were going through a divorce back then, and in the pinging back and forth between my parents houses, it always gave me so much anxiety buying lunch at school. You wouldn't know if your account could cover what you picked up in the lunch line until you got to the cashier at the end. AND if it couldn't, they would literally take all of the food you put on your tray and give you a PB&J sandwich.

Having elementary school kids keep up with their balances was tough, and even when I did remember, if I were with my dad, he would refuse to give lunch money to my sister and me because "that's what child support is for."

It just sucked all around and made me feel like the smallest human on earth. And I know that this experience here was not unique to me.

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[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 47 points 2 months ago

Not only are we not OK, we need your help. Please issue sanctions until we stop funding genocides and torturing folks

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No. We are not ok. About half of us have centered their lives around fuck you I got mine and let’s be cruel to everyone else.

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the saddest part is that most of the people pushing these awful ideas did not get theirs. And instead of trying to do something constructive to help themselves and others, they are desperately fighting to make sure that no one else "gets theirs" either.

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago (5 children)

In California, school lunch is paid by the state. It's awesome and solves this problem. All the kids get the same lunch for free. Some kids still bring their lunch, but it's rare.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In foster care we were part of the free lunch program. The first week in my first high school the lunch lady made it a point to call us all up first so EVERYONE knew who the 'poors' were. This was in one of the top 5 most expensive zipcodes in the U.S.

For the next four years I ate knowledge in the library for lunch.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

america are you ok?

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 37 points 2 months ago (4 children)

So you watched John Oliver last night?

[–] Anissem@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago

The part with the teacher who was tasked with telling all of the students that free lunches are over… Jesus Christ. She could see the worried faces and darting eyes of the kids who were depending on those meals.

[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

No spoilers! I want to be surprised by the messed up topic

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[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Red states are not okay, because all they have left in their value system is cruelty toward people they see as not "pulling their weight," as if we still live in some resource-scarce era of yore where if you don't work, you don't eat (and even if you do work, eating is not guaranteed, better work harder!).

Blue states are increasingly providing lunches, and sometimes even breakfast, for all students free of charge. It used to be income-based (you'd get free or half-priced lunch based on your family's income), but even that system is getting ditched because of the associated stigma and the problem of some needy students falling between the cracks.

[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Minnesota and governor Tim Walz for the win.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Minnesota is probably the most famous example at the moment, but they're far from alone!

https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/states-with-universal-free-school-meals-so-far-update/

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (6 children)

There are some states that feed kids as a matter of routine state budgeting. Those kids get a lunch paid for by taxpayers. A damn fine investment of tax dollars, if you ask me.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

My uncle: "AIN'T NO BROWN KID EVER GONNA EAT ON MY DIME DODGAMMIT!"

He and all his friends are voting, you should too.

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago

No. We are not OK. Thanks for asking.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (13 children)

I do remember lunch shaming happening to others in school. Kids are mean and don’t really understand class struggle.

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[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's OK, we're dealing with this by repealing our child labor laws, so kids can work at the meat processing plant instead of some immigrant. Two birds, one stone.

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[–] computergeek125@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No we're not OK

I remember in grade school my district had a system where everyone who bought anything at the cafeteria went through an internal "type in your ID to the pin pad" system. Internally, the computer would decide whether the student was charged against their account or if it did a discount/free. This was how they dealt with that.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

No. Not even close to OK. There are examples of light in the darkness, such as Tim Walz (Kamala Harris' running mate) who as the governor of Minnesota enacted a law to make school lunches free for all. Kids don't get to decide who they are born to, and hungry kids don't learn nearly as well as fed kids. Educated kids help our future, so it's an extremely high ROI.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does it look like we're ok?

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[–] Zip2@feddit.uk 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ffs America. You can just provide a service, not everything has to turn a profit.

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 26 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Hol’ up, that sounds like communism.

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When has America ever been okay? It went from land of the free while enslaving people and restricting voting ability, to then freeing slaves but continuing to oppress entire groups to minimize their allowable impact on society, until they it became oppress people financially every way possible.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You skipped the genocide.

Also, slavery never ended in the US. It was only barred for people who haven't been convicted of a crime

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[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I pay thousands per year in school taxes and the vast majority goes to school administrators making 6 figures. We can't just toss more money at schools to fix this - we need legislation stating how the money is used. The money needs to go to the kids and teachers instead of clueless rich people.

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[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

The elementary school I taught at offered free lunches to all students. Still, parents who packed food for their kids would give them Flamin' Hot Cheetos and Takis and a huge can of Arizona Ice Tea daily. These students looked down on hot lunch kids. I remember seeing a student that had a lunchable everyday, but clearly their parent got it from a 7/11 or something because there was a price tag on it and it was for $5. There were also parents that dropped of fast food EVERY SINGLE DAY to their student. These were low income families too.

When lunch food is a status symbol, the system has failed you.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Americans getting pissed off at Europeans constantly making fun of them... And yet I'm still learning more ridiculous bullshit about that country.

Jesus christ, what a sad joke.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

But you don't understand, we have happy billionaires! That's all that really matters in life. Children can fuck off, billionaires is where it's at.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We get pissed off because we don't have socialized medicine for those burns.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

We are so not okay.

[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As a Canadian, I'm like:

You guys are getting paid? blank meme

You guys are getting food?

(School cafeterias with food service beyond selling terrible premade sandwiches for people who forgot their lunch are rare below college level and AFAIK what few exist all operate like a fast-food restaurant, where everyone pays for their meal then and there.)

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[–] ghurab@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait wait wait, waaaaaaait a fucking minute, this is done by the school itself, as in the bloody adults running the goddamn thing?

Holy hell

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