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Russia is signaling it could take out the West's internet and GPS. There's no good backup plan.
(www.businessinsider.com)
Bark bark bark
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Yes, this is really like a tiny dog barking its head off, because it's convinced it can't be harmed.
Russia and Putin have been embarrassing themselves for a while now.
suuure, they couldn't even take out ukraines communication systems
Cutting a couple undersea fiber cables and completely fucking the whole internet is very easy. Humanity has so far just kinda silently agreed to not fuck with that.
Sure, but welcome to 2024, where we have mirrors and cdns and the cloud with distributed everything.
Not saying disconnecting the americas from eurasia wouldn't be a big deal, but the internet would keep working.
Elon would be very happy.
Im curious… how much undersea cable traffic could Starlink handle? I know the sat-sat laser links are just coming online now, what if every sat had them
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And otherwise, you can't eliminate the possibility of local sabotage as well. Most of the important networking information in Sweden was leaked due to our "open information" laws.
It's not like Russia can make it some long-term problem, but being an annoyance and making chaos is their goal.
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would Americans even consider that taking down the internet? It wouldn't impact a US client talking to a US server.
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Maybe they could get an compromised/friendly/useful idiot/individual installed in the hightest levels of government who, either intentionally or unintentionally, would funnel secrets to them which help facilitate mass disruption?
ohh wait...
I find the threat of GPS loss to be hard to believe. Theyd have to take out 38 GPS satelites and presumably any of the other navagation satellites American allies have in orbit, and presumably theyd have to not damage their own navigation satelites in the process. I also doubt they could do that all at the same time, or quick enough that no one could respond. Im sure they have the capability, and im sure they have an idea of what the operation would have to look like but in terms of a plan that's actionable, I have big doubts.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss that threat.
They know exactly where in the sky they are. They know what frequencies their antennas are tuned to. I'm betting burning out those transceivers would not be an impossible feat.
I also don't know how well they put up against really large lasers
They've also been fully capable of putting s*** into space for years. I would not put it past them to have some form of combination weather/spy satellite and weapons platform out there.
They must be aware of the concept of re-ta-lia-tion. You shoot down my satellites, I shoot down yours. Nobody wins and we are all back 40 years.
Yeah?
And we'd retaliate. Which is why they haven't done it. They didn't shoot down the satellites in the cold war and they aren't going to do it now unless they've decided the world without satellites is just so much better.
How is this news? China could nuke the West Coast tomorrow and the Canadians might invade Maine to secure a maple syrup monopoly! Actually, that's more likely than anything else in this thread...
If Canada invades I'm fighting on their side. We suck so much and they're polite.
Maine should just be part of New Brunswick but your decorators could never match the right shade of pink
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Russia said they'd take over Ukraine in three days.
Russia says a lot of shit.
Russia has become the embarrassing relative you hate seeing at holiday gatherings.
How would they interfere with our elections without the Internet?
The same Russia that "indicated" the Ukraine special operation would take three days?
Lol
What? The whole fuckin internet is the backup plan
Like bro do you even BGP?
Like bro do you even BGP?
BGP works under assumption that everyone involved acts in good faith and that good faith can be, and in specific cases in history was, severely abused.
So it is likely it will be part of the problem.
So Ivan Sabotageovich calls up someone who works at Level3
Says "Hey broski I want you to start announcing bogus BGP routes"
Guy who answers the phone says "What? Why would I do that?"
Guy on the phone says "I'll give you rubles"
Guy who answers the phone says my brother in Christ I make $175k per year and I will get fired and they'll fix it in about 25 minutes anyway, sorting out and fixing stuff like this is kind of why people like me are employed here and there are a lot of us watching what happens
Guy on the phone says I can also give you TONS of unrefined crude oil and methane, or precision aircraft parts from the 1990s
Guy who answers says I need to go now, good luck though
Guy on the phone says blyat as the line goes dead
No, Ivan will just announce "hey, I have direct link into these ASs" and lot of parties will believe him, consider him shortest route and send him lot of traffic intended for said ASs.
That's what china did in 2010 when they hijacked about 15% of all world's traffic.
https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1050&context=mca
... for 18 minutes
With their existing infrastructure in the US which Russia doesn't have
And it was detected (and was trivial to fix once detected it sounds like) even before people were particularly alerted to this as a possibility
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that's basically russia asking to get wiped out
No one takes them seriously, they just bark. Here's a hilarious wiki article on all the red lines Russia set in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Date notified: February 24, 2022
Red line: “Interference” in Ukraine by outside powers
Date broken: February 24, 2022
This one send me flying.
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Russia couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
The internet was literally created by the DoD to have a communication system that was resilient to foreign attacks. If one part of it goes down, it can still work with the parts that aren't down. This is built into the design.
Nope. Usually this claim includes some reference to nuclear war, but the Internet was not designed to withstand attack. Arpanet was not designed with military applications primarily in mind.
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Russia continuing to signal why it's a good idea to take them out. Thanks, Russia!
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They’re afraid to use their glide bombs in Kursk because they’re not accurate enough to avoid hitting their own friendlies and they think they can hit a satellite moving ten of thousand + miles an hour in orbit!? lol
For real. People talking like Russia is going to jam GPS or something, while they can’t even jam GPS or RF well enough to prevent FPV drones from slamming in to their own people. I just saw a video of a Ukrainian FPV drone taking out a Russian EW platform that’s purpose built to counter drones for fucks sake.
Edit - oh. This statement was from Medvedev back in June. lol ok bro. How you gonna run those sub generators you need to fuck with those cables when all your diesel is currently burning off in a fucking epic conflagration? Your country is literally cooked rn.
"We could totally fuck you up if we wanted."
"Go ahead and do it then."
"..."
"I'm waiting."
"...I do not want to."
In the Julia Roberts move "Leave the World Behind", they mention a process of destroying a country. (I vaguely recall that the process was attributed to a real person.) One of the steps was to take down the internet. With lack of information chaos develops, and the country destroys itself.
i feel like taking down the internet is harder than it sounds. you could easily disrupt satellite, but the world will route around this... its actually designed for it.
they would have to poison dns or major routing points somehow.
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That's hilarious bro this putin guy needs his own stand up special he's probably got a million of these
Just imagine the outrage if Russia is the reason that tiktok goes down
The Russians talk shit everyday. It ends up that it's either something that they can't technically do, as it is here, or something that would would result in having their ass handed to them.
This is both of them.
I really don’t think they have the capability, actually. They might be able to degrade the network, but I don’t think they would be able to actually physically destroy enough elements of the constellation to make it generally useless.
Not to mention, I’d be a bit shocked if the DoD doesn’t have some backups sitting quietly (as in: not broadcasting at the moment) in geosync. After all, it’s the first rule of government spending.
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