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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 52 points 2 weeks ago

$25 an hour is what minimum wage should be, and they need a college degree to make that. The example 2020 farmer doesn't even own the corporate farm, they are just employed labor.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Completely ignoring most farmers have been forced at one point or another to sell their land to giant corpo farmers and if they're lucky they can get a poorly paid job working on their family's old land.

Not often tho, because most is automozed these days...

OP, I'm just curious, do you know a so glen person who's lived or worked on a farm before?

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 weeks ago

I believe this person has swallowed the YouTube garbage of trust fund babies and trad wives.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Farmers actually vote. So do the elderly. Consequently, they mould the government to better serve their needs.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Most small farms have had to sell to larger farms too. It's like comparing a small town general store to Walmart, and saying they're better off working at Walmart than owning their own stores.

Back in the 1800s you'd have 10 people raising 10 acres each. Now we have farms with thousands of acres where the person who owns it has never set foot on the property.

Those are the people exploiting our legislative and tax system.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you're both wrong, the average American farm is $1.7 million in debt and are being pushed out by farming conglomerates.

https://time.com/5736789/small-american-farmers-debt-crisis-extinction/

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yep.

The corpo farms actually don't want things to always be great for farming, because ariable land is a finite resource, and what small farms that are left won't sell willingly.

So they also use their resources to fuck shit up every decade or so, hoping to kill off and canabalize a little more land that they'll never have to sell.

There's not enough attention being paid to this shit. Another century and they'll have all the land and can charge whatever they want for food.

We need to start charging exponentially more tax the size of an organization, it's the only way to give small businesses (including farms) a shot

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 12 points 2 weeks ago

Things fought and died for by American laborers in spite of the capital system, which would prefer to chew us alive

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

On one hand, it's absolutely true that living standards have increased dramatically, and we should always fight attempts to falsely romanticize the past.

On the other hand, these improvements have very fucking little to do with capitalism except insofar as capitalism creates the conditions for labor organization to fight capitalist elites.

[–] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

American capitalism is also slowly eroding these luxuries and funneling the surplus value to elites at an ever-increasing rate.