The Cage is peak trek
Never accepted Kirk and those after as real trek
this post was submitted on 19 Aug 2024
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You better be referring to the original broadcast recorded to magnetic tape and not the abomination that is the DVD release
What about the option of the original black and white recording of ‘The Cage’ with the colour portions from ‘The Menagerie’ spliced in, as released to videotape in thr 80s?
That was the real Star Trek. Roddenberry even took it to cons in the 70s and 80s to let fans know what he really wanted to put on the air.
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You're fooling yourself if you don't want to see the sharp decrease in quality post DS9. The best Trek series of the last 25 years is Orville ffs
I'd give strange new worlds a pass as being better than Orville, but yeah, it's definitely the exception to the rule.
Fair, Strange New Worlds is great
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I don’t mind the Kelvin films. Karl Urban as Bones makes it all worth while.
They’re just popcorn flicks. Watch or don’t watch and it’s not like the Star Trek Universe is altered in any way. (Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise)
I used to think Chris Pine Kirk was better than Shatner. I now kind of feel like Pine’s the best Captain, but SNW Kirk’s the best gentlemanly lady killer kirk.
I'd argue they are better than anything after The Undiscovered Country. But yeah otherwise I agree, 2009 is one of my top trek films, and I'd rather watch it over any of the TNG movies. Sorry, not sorry.
Largely agree, with a couple exceptions: Undiscovered Country and First Contact are good; Into Darkness is bad.
I've taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.
Each era is molded by the media conventions of it's time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: "the medium is the message"
Where do you put ENT? I say it feels very different from the not much earlier VOY but not as a wave in its own right. And while we're at it: TAS
Echoes, like when a wave hits something else and creates some dissonance.
I don't really like any Trek past DS9 Don't hate me
VOY and ENT are good
Never liked VOY, writing is poor.... Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9...
The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.
SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series' development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark... Monk Worf was cool tho.
Voyager's writing is inconsistent. There's some fantastic episodes... and then there's salamanders.
True, but the feeling is that in general Voyager was hard to watch.
I rewatched TNG and DS9 several times from start to finish and almost skipped no episodes (though in later rewatches of DS9 I'm skipping the alternate universe ones since I can't bear them). I tried rewatching VOY and I just can't. Sure I can rewatch some of the awesome episodes from the show, but I can't watch it from start to finish since I find most episodes to be cringey (even if I like most of the actors and their characters, but something doesn't work when watching entire episodes).
Unrelated: I watched DIS until it was on Netflix (and deemed it an action TV series that's got nothing to do with Star Trek) and watched only a few episodes of PIC until it turned into the "fellowship of the ring" with the introduction of a sword wielding elf. Should I squeeze my nose and dive into it again and try to finish it?
I'll watch SNW as soon as I can. Still haven't gotten around it
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As long as you don't take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don't like a tv show then we're cool
This is the good take. Star Trek peaked at DS9 and there's yet to be a good reason to continue past it.
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If it doesn't have 20+ episode seasons it's nutrek
NuTrek apparently began in 1973.
How many episodes has TAS?
What's the face for anyone who remembers that by TOS canon, the greek god Apollo is real and just got bored of Earth and fucked off to another planet?
Teal'c.
I like NuMetal tbh
What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel
Creative fun in-universe answers are always:
I would say "I've got faith of the heart"
maybe I've consumed more and more scifi over the years to compare to or maybe the later releases of trek have lowered the average in my mind but I can't help but see trek in general as solidly mid now
I hadn't watched any Trek in a while and in Picard there was a scene where their ship was hit and started listing like a boat and I was like "that's not how space works!", then remembered that's the thing with Star Trek.
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I mean, technically everything from TNG onwards would be NuTrek and Kelvin-stuff would be NuNuTrek, or rather Re-Trek, since it's a reboot.
NuTrek started when they did a full visual reboot, including completely changing the look of the Klingons: TMP.
Then it got worse, when they followed that up with a grimdark shoot-em-up that felt nothing like Trek. These people aren't even fans of the show!
Who wanted a visual reboot of the Klingons?
Discovery had so many problems for me: ship flies on magic mushrooms, her mom basically doesn't care about her anymore by the end of it - the show-starting plot line, and the Klingons look like sweaty orcs.
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completely changing the look of the Klingons
You are talking about the TOS movies/TNG? Never understand the forehead thing either
Yeah, I’m facetiously comparing the 1979 arguments over bumpy headed Klingons to the 2017 arguments over cone headed Klingons. What’s “new” keeps on changing, but the arguments about it stay eerily familiar.
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Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.
“Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.
Both panels are acceptable and objectively correct.
I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.
I didn't really like TOS (except the movies, those were great) was a big TNG fan (not the movies though, didn't like those), I loved DS9, I was okay with Voyager and basically did not care for anything after, except maybe Lower Decks? Haven't seen SNW yet, will give it a try.
But all of that is just like, my opinion man, you go watch whatever gives you the good feels, I'll not police your opinion.
Except if you like Discovery-Klingons, liking those makes you a garbage-human!🚩
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