this post was submitted on 16 Aug 2024
50 points (91.7% liked)

Ukraine

8310 readers
740 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

*Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.

*No content depicting extreme violence or gore.

*Posts containing combat footage should include [Combat] in title

*Combat videos containing any footage of a visible human must be flagged NSFW

Server Rules

  1. Remember the human! (no harassment, threats, etc.)
  2. No racism or other discrimination
  3. No Nazis, QAnon or similar
  4. No porn
  5. No ads or spam
  6. No content against Finnish law

Donate to support Ukraine's Defense

Donate to support Humanitarian Aid


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

MOSCOW, Aug 16 (Reuters) - Russia's ambassador to Washington said on Friday that he did not believe Ukraine would have attacked the Nord Stream gas pipelines without the tacit approval of the United States, and that Russia would identify and punish those behind the attack.

all 37 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] A_A@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

they know because russia did it. /wild guess

[–] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And he is right. Hope nobody gets the culprits however. It was a good deed.

[–] Ooops -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It was a good deed.

If you define "good" as total batshit crazy insanity.

[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 9 points 3 months ago

Ukraine consulting with the USA is plausible, but on the other hand a Russian diplomat is the worse source a newspaper could cite. There are very few people less objective on this topic than Russian diplomats.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

"Ok broski, you do that. Good luck 🥱" - US diplomats

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I thought the investigation was closed inconclusive more than half a year ago?
I always suspected USA could have part in this, they were pretty pissed that Merkel wouldn't terminate the program.
And as history has shown rightfully so.
Whether they gave Ukraine a green light or not IDK, but I don't blame Ukraine if they did this. It's fair game as I see it, Russia chose the war, not Ukraine.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

I thought the investigation was closed inconclusive more than half a year ago?

Last I've heard is that Germany put out an arrest warrant for an Ukrainian (not saying it was Ukraine) and Poland failed to arrest him for months, then said "whoops he just crossed the border". They also very much failed to hand over relevant evidence, or at least clues, e.g. surveillance tapes in an harbour.

But that doesn't even mean that it was Poland -- they have motive, but it's also not really in character, they wouldn't want to piss of Germany much less when Germany is in the process of getting rid of Russian gas. I still haven't ruled out Germany, an investigation going on and on doesn't point in the opposite direction of course they'd let the state attorney investigate to their heart's content while simultaneously working with the intelligence services of other countries to turn every lead inconclusive and elusive.

Ukraine, as far as I can tell, doesn't have the capability. US? I don't think so, either, their submarines are way too loud (because nuclear), people would've noticed. They're just not made for covert operations in the Baltic Sea. Manoeuvring two depth charges into place from a yacht seems to be grasping for straws.

Russians are also suspects. Yes it's their pipeline, yes it'd have been easier for them to explode the pipes from within, but they might have orchestrated a false flag out of spite.

Chances are we won't know until the war is over, or even a decade or two later. One thing is for sure: It was done by people who knew what they were doing.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

America: Oh no that's so bad of them. Anyway, here Ukraine, here's some more stuff.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And I'll bet Germany knew as well. Remember that clip of Biden saying Nordstream is not going to happen, with Scholz standing RIGHT NEXT TO HIM? Nordstream needed to go, and go it did. We could have just buried that topic and never brought it up again. But then some DA supersleuth had to go sleuthing... 🙄 Hey, at least it proves that Germany's judiciary is somewhat independent from the executive, after all.