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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 80 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

you know you're old when you're salty about kids thinking the cover version is the original

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That said, Cash absolutely fuckin nailed that cover. I think it's way more emotional than the original. I'm sure Trent was proud as fuck at what Cash did to his song.

[–] GunValkyrie@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I know it's not a popular opinion but I don't think Johnny cash understood Trents original meaning of the song and turned it into a self aggrandizing song. Especially the change from "I wear this crown of shit" to "I wear this crown of thorns".

It just doesn't hit like the NIN version which clearly came from a very personal place.

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 17 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly this. It also lacks the gravity of an entire concept album preceding it and two minutes of static death sounds at the end. It's a sanitized cover of a song that shouldn't be sanitized.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think it's similar, I think the thorns are the pain of regret that he wears for all that he has done. The crown of shit is similar in that it's worthless, he's a king of nothing.

[–] mriormro@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He absolutely did and it's an unpopular opinion because you're positing that a song man who'd been in the business for 50 years couldn't understand the meaning.

He changed the line because of his faith, mostly.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

If his faith was in conflict with the song, he should've left it tf alone.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Johnny Cash always nailed covers. He makes songs I thought were average sound great, and you believe every word he sings.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

As a bonus, his version is way easier to play on guitar.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

He's out and said it's Johnny's song now.

[–] OlinOfTheHillPeople@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Unpopular opinion: His versions of One and Rusted Cage are better than the originals.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm old enough to have bought Downworld Spiral on release day, and I think Reznor wrote that song for Cash. It just took him and the the rest of us 20 years to realize it.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

there are tons of covers that i love better than the original (if i like the original at all). just one example is lacuna coil's enjoy the silence

[–] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Don't look up something like all along the watch tower...

Written by Dylan and performed by Hendrix.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 3 weeks ago

Reznor wrote that song

That's the important part.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Right? Like damn, I know that was a good cover but have we already forgotten it was a NiN song?

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

I love Fallen Kingdom. Who the fuck is Coldplay?

[–] str82L@lemmy.world 63 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Perhaps Tent Reznor thought the same.

[–] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree, kind of annoying that the person that wrote the song doesn't get credited for what was said.

[–] str82L@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

In fairness I do believe Johnny somehow managed to do it better, but credit where credit is due.

[–] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Said this before on this platform, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. It's your opinion that you think Johnny's version is better.

I like both versions of the song. They have a different delivery.

[–] Lookorex@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

For what it's worth, Trent Reznor likes Johnny's version better

[–] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not until he saw the video. He originally said after listening

ive it a cursory listen. It sounded... weird to me. That song in particular was straight from my soul, and it felt very strange hearing the highly identifiable voice of Johnny Cash singing it. It was a good version, and I certainly wasn't cringing or anything, but it felt like I was watching my girlfriend fuck somebody else.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_(Nine_Inch_Nails_song)

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

but it felt like I was watching my girlfriend fuck somebody else.

Some people are into that. Who's to say Reznor wasn't?

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trent liking a cover version more doesn't mean Trent didn't write the original lyrics.

[–] Lookorex@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

When did I say anything about who wrote the lyrics?

[–] str82L@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I too like both versions, and actually writing such a powerful song is something Trent deserves huge credit for. Talent all round.

[–] ziggurat@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know how to speak music, but I'll try. I think the dissonant notes together with i believe micro tonal pitch bending (maybe I don't know i have bad pitch) in the original better illustrate the discomfort of Trent very poetically.

Also Cash sensoring the original lyrics is okay, but it doesn't deliver has hard.

Don't get me wrong, both versions are beautiful, and this is just nit picking

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I think that Cash's slow delivery, acoustic guitar, and deep, raspy voice, better delivers the despair and loneliness of the song.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I still prefer Kermit's version.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Even putting aside the music, that video is incredible.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Darth Kermit?

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

That’s only because the US version of Further Down does not contain the live version, which is the best version.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There's a lot of those. Patti Smith's "Because the Night" is better than Bruce Springsteen's performance of the same. Leonard Cohen has a voice that's something of an acquired taste, so most people prefer Jeff Buckley's version of "Hallelujah".

Patti Smith also had an excellent version of "Teen Spirit", but it's more of a different take than better, I'd say.

[–] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

*Trent Reznor's camp brother.

[–] str82L@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I have been in an all out war with autocorrect over the last 24 hours. Appear to have lost that particular skirmish without even realising it.

[–] leisesprecher 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Vermiculture is a perfectly legitimate hobby and I'm not weird because of it!!!

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Do you know all the words? Those would be vermiculture vernacular.

[–] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And now I need to go cry.

Thanks op

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Because you're upset at the meme implying Johnny Cash wrote the song, right?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Speaking of covers, Trent Reznor does a great cover of this song. Almost as good as Cash's!

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah this is what irked me.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Considering how much the Cash version changed the meaning and vibe of the song, yeah this is canon now.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

Who is his Swedish friend though?