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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Copy editing is a tragically lost art. Also that thing is hilarious. Run out of bullets and you can just punch the enemy planes with your serrated brass knuckles.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I wonder how often it would occur that the pilot would shoot his own instrument cluster. Like when you're holding two things, one to put in the trash, and one to save, and you brainfart into throwing away the item you intended to save, just staring at the trash in your hand waiting for your brain to catch-up...

"Oops, there goes my altimeter... dangit."

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It would be cool to have a brass catcher for rifles. If I was designing one it would attach to the picatinny rail on top. I hate hunting for brass but I want to keep things looking nice and do a bit of reloading

Edit: One google later and yeah people make them. Sick!

[–] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're cool in theory, but suck to use.

The bag full of shells flaps and clanks every time you shoot. Then it fills up and you have to stop to empty it about once per magazine.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah you have to decide whether you hate policing the brass more than using the bag.

[–] w2tpmf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't reload for the AR so I just rake/sweep it all up into a dustpan when I'm done.

..so not worth it.

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I've seen bag types used in heli ops.

[–] SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would it not have been simpler to just use a revolver?

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] superkret 8 points 1 month ago

Bring 12 revolvers

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Have they considered just not using a pistol to try and take down a plane?

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why didn't they just use F/A-18F Super Hornet supersonic twin-engine, carrier-capable, multirole fighter aircraft in 1914? Are they stupid?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Based on military strategy at the time I'm going to go with yes! They were very stupid.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Military strategy and tactics are forced to constantly play catch up to technology and context. Looking at history, it helps to take off the hindsight goggles and meme filter and look at why people did what they did, with the resources they had, with the goals they were given.

There were many missteps and mistakes, some of them were simply bad, but WW1 is very prone to being reduced to memes that strip away any nuance and only magnify the failures.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

To be fair, the French military published a very brilliant and prescient paper on the nature of the coming war and the tactics it would require a handful of years before the War broke out... and the brass proceeded to completely ignore that paper in favor of 'tried and true' tactics.

Pigheadedness and tunnel-vision may not be stupidity per se, but it's close enough that few observers are going to care about the difference.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If there's a single period of military history where contemporary and future experts agreed that the military leaders of the time were mostly blood thirsty and delusional morons who did not care how many people their inbred and willful idiocy got killed, it's WW1, so that's a pretty forgiving take for some of history's most ineffective commanders.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which battlefield commanders would you say did not adjust their tactics over the course of the war?

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not who you replied to orginally but: Luigi Cadorna

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tragically, John Wick was born too late to be a WWI pistol fighter ace.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago

Fuck, now I want to see that

[–] superkret 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No one's ever considered this, they just developed more and more elaborate pistols.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

Imagine how much more awesome that timeline would have been

[–] SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't need to bring down the plane, just the pilot, probably traveling at 30mph in open cockpit

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sure bro. That's why the skies were an absolute bloodbath even before the invention of turret mounted and propeller synchronized machine gun mounts.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

1911s (and their ammunition) were already on hand. It is easier and faster to create a non-precision piece that attaches to the grip than it is scrounge up entirely new weapons and ammo.

Not like this lasted long anyway. In short order planes began getting proper armament.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Pilots had to learn to shoot left handed?

[–] superkret 9 points 1 month ago

No they just had to stop masturbating when enemies came close.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would you say that? It's being gripped with the right hand in the picture.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Oh, it was hard to tell. Looked left handed to me. I'm on a phone, so the picture detail isn't great. I can see it now though. They kind of messed up the bottom fingers.