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[–] aaron@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Please, please litigate this issue AFTER she wins. Everyone is far worse off for all sorts of other reasons if she doesn't.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Please, please litigate this issue AFTER she wins.

When it can be ignored.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

When voters no longer have any power.

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

Like we did with Biden, and were called Russian bots, ChatGPT accounts, and other thought terminating cliches?

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“You know what? If you want Donald Trump to win, then say that. Otherwise, I’m speaking,” Harris said

Maybe if you don’t want Donald Trump to win you should show some backbone and stand up to your fascist Israeli masters.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes! Absolutely this! The best way to win is to alienate the largest group of people possible and turn them towards your opponent. This is such a masterful political strategy. It's a wonder more people with this view don't hold office./s

It would be wonderful to see pro-democracy and pro peace groups holding as much resources and influence as groups like aipac does. Being able to offer candidates that sort of security. The sad truth is we can't. And that we have to work within and compromise with groups we very often despise in order to get anything positive done. The honest truth is that we represent nothing more than a slightly more secure margin of winning. But only when added on to all the rest not by ourselves.

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago

It would be wonderful to see pro-democracy and pro peace groups holding as much resources and influence as groups like aipac does. Being able to offer candidates that sort of security. The sad truth is we can’t.

We really can't. AIPAC has the money if a country that gets unending support. Americans can barely afford rent. Americans are paycheck to paycheck and can't afford sudden expenses, like medical care and bills.

This is intentional at this point. If the people who need to vote for you don't have the money, but the corporate and international lobbyists can fund and sway the politicians more than the general public, it's a win/win. They get elected, pay back the companies who got them into office, and the people who got them in feel accomplished, when neither the companies or candidates care about any of the voters.

Trump won because the poor and rural people who saw some dude talking what they wanted to hear, and he wasn't bound to them, he was bound to thr corps and Russians donating to him.

To stop this would stop the income of Politicians across every step of government, local, state, and federal. Super PACs outweigh any of the members of Lemmy or the Fediverse. What we want doesn't matter.

If we want to stop AIPAC, we would have to stop the same things that enable Russia to fund candidates. Republicans would keepto any money flowing, Democrats would want to keep any money flowing for them. Sensible people want less money in politics. Politicians don't.

Lobbying is good for them, and bad for us. Lobbying defunds welfare, education, healthcare, and puts that money into the pockets of the wealthy.

And that's not to say "both sides", one party often has members who want to stop this. One party has a progressive wing, one party has a fascist majority. But both together will probably prohibit overturning Citizens United.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

She handled this in the worst way. I'm not going to get mad at protesters who want to see an end to genocide. Even Biden had a more humbling response.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

If we just don't talk about genocide, perhaps it will go away?

[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 27 points 3 months ago

This is a rally, not a town hall. PLUS she did meet with them, before the rally, then mentioned that when they first interrupted her rally, then she finally told them to shut up because they kept interrupting in a completely nonproductive way

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago

She met with some of the leaders of the uncommitted movment right before this very rally. Her strategy is not to completely ignore it

A poor choice of words made in the spur of the moment doesn't necessarily reflect how she's been acting about it

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Have you heard about AIPAC spending loads of money to take out pro-Palenstinian incumbents in the primaries? They can probably cause Harris more trouble in the election than the pro-Palestinian protesters.

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago

Election interference is only when it comes from Russia. Otherwise it's sparkling grassroots.

[–] dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, nice things don't last forever

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This same news article posted in News got me another ban from there hah

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Reporting actual news is actually heavily biased fake news, just like when NBC reports when Trump is being horrid according to Republicans.

Factual statements? Biased, nitpicking. Please ignore that I too am biased, and that all media is biased.

Reporting on polling? Polls suck, never believe them.

Reporting that people want Biden gone? Biden is never going to leave! ...I mean, he always was going to!

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Funny that my first ban from there was because I kept saying Biden needed to drop out and be replaced.

Now that same crowd that said I was a Trumper is doing the "YAAAS KAMALA! SO GLAD JOE DROPPED OUT!". Oh well lol

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

There is a million different references to books and media I could make here. The easiest and kinda laziest is: "We have always been at war with Eastasia."