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Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde, who served time in prison after he was convicted of raping a 12-year-old girl, won his second match at the Paris Olympics and received an even harsher reaction from the crowd on Wednesday than for his first match.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 232 points 3 months ago (5 children)

“I was disappointed with the crowd, for sure,” Immers said. “I cannot do anything about his past anymore. I’m here to play with him. … So, yeah, I’m disappointed with it. But I think mentally we’re really strong, and I’m really strong to get through this, together. And we’re going to do that.”

Then:

Immers was asked about the reception and said the two spoke on the court and recognized they would need to be extra supportive of each other. Asked if he understood why they received that reception, he said, “I don’t want to talk about that, if it’s OK.”

So they can bitch that people bboed, but he won't acknowledge the reason is he raped a literal child?

Fuck that guy, I hope the whole stadium booes anytime he shows his face.

If he was going to pull the "I'm here for volleyball" then he should shut the fuck up 24/7. Not try to play the victim then refuse to admit why they're booing.

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (37 children)

So they can bitch that people booed, but he won’t acknowledge the reason is he raped a literal child?

Mathew Immers is not the guy who raped the child. That is Steven van de Velde.
Immers is van de Velde's beach volleyball partner.

[–] killingspark 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He is complaining that the crowd booed his partner. The partner he chose to play with. But he won't recognize that the reason the pair is being booed is that one of the partners is a child rapist. I think it's fair to think that that is bad.

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[–] fulcrummed@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I think it is important to distinguish the innocent partner here. Beach volleyball is incredibly demanding, and at the elite level, a very low population sport. It takes athletes their whole careers to just to make the world tour hoping to one day reach the olympics. For Immers he has busted his ass for years and at some point his national body probably paired him up with the other guy. It’s possible he may not have even known about it until they were partners and had established their dynamic and working relationship. Finding and building a team with a partner you click with on the court is hard-earned. I can imagine that Immers is absolutely distraught at the situation he’s been put in. He has a crappy choice here no matter what. Abandon what he’s spent his whole career building up to, now that he’s made it - because of something he had nothing to do with, knowing he may never get this chance again, even if he were to find another available partner… it takes years to learn how to play as a team; or he sucks it up, focuses on his own journey, cops the reflected criticism and hostility and tries to keep his emotions out of it…

It’s shitty either way. He abandons his dream because of someone else’s actions; or he chases them and becomes collateral damage.

Don’t get me started on the poor kid whose life was never the same again, having all this trauma dredged up and shoved back in her face. There’s nothing about this that doesn’t suck.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 91 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

I think it is important to distinguish the innocent partner here

Then he can stop bitching that people are booing his partner who raped a fucking 12 year old.

Pick a lane, "no comment" or acknowledge what he did and ask for forgiveness.

This is literally the Dutch team complaining that people are booing, and refusing to acknowledge an incredibly valid reason why it's happening.

Fuck em both.

Like you said, it's a small population of players. Even if this guy was #1 in the Netherlands, if #2 thru 25 said they won't play with a child rapist, the child rapist wouldn't be on the team.

Don’t get me started on the poor kid whose life was never the same again, having all this trauma dredged up and shoved back in her face. There’s nothing about this that doesn’t suck.

You think she forgot till now?

You think she doesn't know his name?

Why is the issue talking about how he's a child rapist and not that the child rapist is in the goddamn Olympics?

Quick edit:

It’s shitty either way. He abandons his dream because of someone else’s actions; or he chases them and becomes collateral damage.

We don't call people heroes for doing the right thing because it's easy and sacrifice free.

But we do call people shit bags for doing the wrong thing for personal gain/glory.

Which is what we're doing here.

Except you, you're out here complaining people booed a guy who raped a 12 year old.

Why?

[–] fulcrummed@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Wow man, that’s a hot take. I’m not complaining at all. The crowd is upset that the Dutch team have chosen to select a man convicted of a heinous act. I absolutely abhor what that criminal did and in my mind there is absolutely no excusing or trivialising or equivocating on that. It’s unthinkable. I am not putting judgment on the crowd at all. I completely understand why they are doing it.

I don’t believe he was complaining in the interview. A journo asked him the world’s most obvious question and he has nowhere to go. He can’t defend his partner (not should he, not that he wanted to). He can only speak for himself and say it’s hard to get booed when personally you didn’t do the thing and you’ve worked so hard to get here.

I don’t know why you think I have anything but sincere empathy for the poor victim. I’m recognising that having a truly horrific life experience become fodder for the media, years after you last had that chapter of your life made public and the subject of speculation and judgment, must be a terrible ordeal - she will never forget his name or what happened, but there’s a difference between that and having this asshole on the front page of every news outlet for a month. It must be a genuinely traumatic experience to have it be made acute again.

You’re passionate and assertive in your feelings about this. I respect that and I don’t disagree with your sentiments. I don’t think your read meshes with what I was trying to say. I actually think we’re morally pretty well aligned. In the context of your comment, I don’t know many genuine heroes, they do what most people can’t - that’s why they’re so revered. We all know the way, only few actually walk it.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If his buddy has broken his leg before the Olympics they would have found a replacement.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 173 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While I think the Netherlands has a commendable approach to prison and rehabilitation, This dude should not be a representative for your country. If you say he's served enough time, we can disagree (because he absolutely did not), but the choice to put him in Netherlands Orange and on international TV was a colossal mistake.

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 73 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He should definitely be wearing orange, just not Netherlands Orange...

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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 148 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

Just booing?

He went to another country, raped a 12-yo, fled and after conviction, his government - the Netherlands, only decided to give him a year of prison.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's an important detail that I'm not really seeing here. The UK gave him an 8 year sentence. The Netherlands negotiated to have him transferred to their jurisdiction, which happened after 1 year served, and then the Netherlands promptly let him go.

[–] johan@feddit.nl 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not saying it's right, but for context:

One legal distinction is that Van de Velde is unlikely to have been convicted of rape had he stood trial in the Netherlands rather than England. In England, sex with a 12-year-old is rape, regardless of the circumstances: an under-16 cannot legally consent. But after he was extradited to the Netherlands, having serving almost a year of his prison sentence, he was released after less than a month. Under Dutch law, his crime was deemed to be the lesser offence of ontucht, sexual acts that violate social-ethical norms.

From https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/30/netherlands-child-rapist-olympics-steven-van-de-velde

[–] match@pawb.social 18 points 3 months ago (10 children)

That, combined with him being on the Olympic team, sorta makes me concerned about Dutch people

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (61 children)

What else should they be doing? Storming the court and dragging him to a lynching tree? I'm guessing the French wouldn't be especially accommodating to such vigilantism.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 63 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They could have not invited a convicted child rapist to represent their country at the Olympics.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

"They" are not the booing crowd.

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago

I'm guessing the French wouldn't be especially accommodating to such vigilantism.

You are absolutely correct!

You'd need to use a guillotine.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

Holding up signage, shouting rapist, turning their backs...there is a lot of room between booing and lynching.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not putting him on a pedestal as a representative of your country would be a good start.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's SO many options between one year in prison and extra judicial killing. Like, in prison for 10 years, just off the top of my head.

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[–] momocchi@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Stop putting words in their mouth, there are so many things to do other than booing that are non violent but you just immediately took the most extreme possible outcome and suggested that was what the person you are reply to meant.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 145 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The story from wikipedia, since I never see it written down:

"In 2014, van de Velde, aged 19 at the time, corresponded with a 12-year-old girl who sent him a friend request on Facebook. He said he believed the girl was 16 at the time they began to communicate, but he continued despite her telling him her age. In August 2014, he travelled to her home town, Milton Keynes in England, gave her alcohol and raped her near the local Furzton Lake.[12] That same night, van de Velde tried to stay at a hotel with his victim but was denied a room so they slept under a staircase.[13] There were further two instances of rape the next day.[12] During one of the three rapes, the victim told van de Velde that he was hurting her.[14]

Van de Velde returned to the Netherlands after the rapes[15] and told his victim to go to a sexual health clinic for contraception, at which point her age alerted concern among the staff.[14] He was extradited to the United Kingdom and arrested in January 2016.[15] The victim expressed feelings of guilt and had been self-harming and once overdosed, facts that caused the judge to "give van de Velde a scathing rebuke" during the case.[14][16]"

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 97 points 3 months ago (2 children)

After his release in 2017, van de Velde complained about "all the nonsense" reporting on his crime in the media, claiming that the term pedophile did not apply to him, without expanding further.

An unrepentant rapist who only served a whole 13 months for raping someone three times.

[–] match@pawb.social 23 points 3 months ago

a twelve year old, specifically

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

OMFG I misread things initially and though 12 years was how long he was in prison. 13 months??? That's insane, and I am usually for more lenient punishments and rehabilitation programs. Harsh punishments to a point just equate to revenge eventually, but fuck this guy. He should have served a much harsher sentence. Just reading the description of what happened makes my stomach turn.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 119 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Honestly fuck him and his teammate. The rapist wouldnt be playing if everyone refused to play with him. Full stop. These calls would be different if he showed remorse but instead he wants to complain. You dont get to complain about other's opinion of you after you rape somebody.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 83 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There's a German saying that I'm going to poorly reproduce.

If you're at table with eleven others and one's a NAZI then there are twelve NAZI's at the table.

I think it applies here.

[–] Zakkull@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Ive always heard it the reverse but same message. "If you choose to sit at a table with 11 Nazi's then there are 12 Nazi's at the table." Same sentiment though and i absolutely agree.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago (2 children)

From another article:

There are also those, such as the court reporter Chris Klomp, who have argued that he is not the “sex monster” or “groomer” he has been made out to be in some English-language media.

Klomp wrote on X that, although what Van de Velde did was utterly wrong and punishable, he did not physically force the girl to have sex with him. He wrote: “The absence of coercion (other than the age difference) is also evident from the fact that the British court acquitted him of grooming. It was not his intention to ‘persuade her’ into sexual acts.”

Wow. That reporter just made himself look like a pedophile by defending the pedophile rapist that hard.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He used the "she came on to me" line? Gross. They're all gross and weird people.

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[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It also leaves out the part where he gave her alcohol

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Not gonna lie, no matter how gross the age difference is, I keep thinking about the couples from my high school (in Germany, where the age of consent is 14) where there were 12 and 13 year olds involved with 17-19 year olds. It was rare but it happened and the relationships often lasted quite a while, so it was kind of... consensual, for lack of a better term. And since I don't know the girl or Van De Velde personally and I haven't been there, I wanted to abstain from judging this other than on the legal basis.

But when I read that he gave her alcohol - a 12 year old - no way. Sorry but no matter how iN lOvE anyone was or whatever, you do not give a 12 year old alcohol, unless it's a sip of your beer and she's your kid (saying this as someone raised in Bavaria). But other than that, no alcohol. And when you end up fucking a 12 year old - which is awful to begin with, worse since they only met - and first intoxicating her, that is just the point at which you cannot argue any kind of maturity, love, attraction, age of consent crap or whatever anymore. You intoxicated and fucked a minor. Period.

The more details from the case are revealed the more I have to say fuck that guy. But at the same time - fuck the judges double and triple.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

odd how jk rowling and the "protect children" crew haven't said his name once. it's almost as if jk rowling is pro paedophilia.

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[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

He deserves much worse than that imo. Especially since all he got was a year and now just a few years later he's playing in the Olympics.

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