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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 96 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (31 children)

Far-left definitely isn't that - "we're gonna make sure everyone's needs are met" is literally a general leftist thing. Assuming you're trying to portray tankies and fascists, a more accurate depiction would be "we're gonna make sure working class needs are met with an iron fist and extermination of anyone potentially rebellious".

That being said, holy shit there are so many bad takes in this thread

[–] dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (18 children)

Respectfully, I don't think tankies are the farthest left, or even left at all. They seem far too concerned with statism and too unconcerned with uplifting the worker.

I also think that there is space for more than one type of far left.

EDIT: Witness below: a lengthy conversation about states, colonialism, whose team is worse, and other masturbatory topics. What average worker is going to engage with this ideology? Dorks.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I understand your definitions, but I I think many Americans don't use the same definitions. OP is pointing this out.

If we look at specific issues it's easy to see. If I say that we should have universal health care, or UBI, many people would say that I'm way far out on the left. What if I said that we shouldn't allow people to be multimillionaires? Would that make me way far out on the left? Again, to a lot of people yes.

So your definitions might be reasonable, but they aren't universal, and I think if you keep that in mind you can appreciate OP more.

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[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 71 points 3 months ago (36 children)

I'm not a both-siders, but I was just arguing with a leftist yesterday that was saying we should jail people for voting for trump.

So I'm hesitant to pretend there are not wack jobs on the left who would happily exterminate people for their political gain.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The left absolutely has nut jobs. That's why it's important that us normal, reasonable left people call them out and check their shit.

The right let their right wing nut jobs take over. That's why we're in this mess.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The second layer to both-sides is false-equivalence fallacy. A majority of Republicans believe in the Big Lie; their literal nominee tried to overthrow a free & fair election.

Let that sink in: A MAJORITY of Republicans believe 2020 was stolen.

Do you see the broader Democratic party or any of their high-level leaders calling for jailing people voting for Trump? No.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Being fooled is not a crime. Trump (along with many accomplices) is a criminal that needs to be prosecuted and thrown in jail, but unfortunately the morons who have fallen for his lies aren't breaking the law by doing so, so any claim to have them jailed is anti democratic authoritarianism.

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[–] Contravariant@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (10 children)

You can pretend all you like the problem is that there have been leftist wack jobs that very much did exterminate people for political gain.

Things would be so much easier if we could simply argue about ideology without anyone getting the 'clever' idea that you can simply exterminate everyone who disagrees and end up with a harmonious society of people all working towards the same ideal.

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[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Good message overall, but man what a terrible choice to depict the left

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[–] NoiseColor@startrek.website 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Only that there are also a lot of commies who would exterminate a whole lot of centrists.

[–] bitflag@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (3 children)

"We are gonna make mankind happy even if we have to exterminate half of it!"

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

Unfathomably based. If they said it like this half of the far right would join.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (44 children)

Right-wing in-group: "So long as you be just like us in every way and fall in line, you will be accepted. Sort of."

Left-wing in-group: "So long as you're not an asshole, we don't care what you believe or do."

Right-wing out-group: Anyone not like them.

Left-wing out-group: Anyone who is an asshole.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Bolsheviks literally exterminated entire social groups because they believed they were impure. Calling people "kulaks" and such.

They also deported (as in half dying in the way) to Siberia whole peoples, like Chechens and Ingushs.

Also some peoples by ethnicity alone were deemed suspicious in certain parts of USSR and forcefully moved from there. That's how there are very few Greeks in Crimea.

And you have those hammer and sickle on the "far left" pic.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Its almost as if the USSR was just fascism with red trim.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (12 children)

I agree, but the author used hammer&sickle as the illustration of "far left".

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

because ironically the author of the meme made the best of fucks up made an unironic meme, Tankies are just Nazis wearing red.

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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

As a centrist I can say with certainty that both sides are being misrepresented here.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wrong!

Source: We're on Lenny

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Centrists: My 3-year old child can tell that both of these characterizations are bullshit. Why cannot you?

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (26 children)

Anyone still claiming to be an undecided voter in 2024 is quite frankly full of shit

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yes, they certainly made sure everybody's needs were met during the Holodomor.

[–] Successful_Try543 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

That was under Stalin's rule which was a fascist regime like any other 'communist' regime that gained power in the last century.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This is literally the bravest and most important thing I've seen all week. Bravo OP, you've convinced me

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago (37 children)

I think people who've enjoyed years under communist governments might disagree a little about the comparison here.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lol. Had to depict the left with hammer and sickle-- a communist symbol. And it isn't like the communists are constitent on LGBT rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_LGBT_rights?wprov=sfla1

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[–] lath@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Centrists are the real communists. They just want everyone to come together and hug it out.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Don't you ever fucking joke around in my meme community, you monster

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