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Hi! I remember there beings talks about beehaw planning to eventually move to a lemmy alternative with proper moderation tools, and was interested in following the development of this alternative, but I've forgotten the name of the project and can't find the specific posts about the subject. Anyone remember what I'm talking about?

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[–] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 33 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Sublinks? https://github.com/sublinks

[–] thief_of_names@beehaw.org 13 points 4 months ago

This sounds familiar! I think this is it! Thank you very much

[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's a great idea, but I'm very skeptical about how ready it is for 'production', looking through their repo.

[–] hazelnoot@beehaw.org 2 points 4 months ago

Agreed, unfortunately. I'm not even sure it supports defederation :/

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

What I think would be interesting would be a link aggregator based around tags rather than subcommunities. Moderation would be based around these tags. Your feed would be based on tag queries. Posts could have multiple tags, assigned by the original poster or by users. Assigning tags would have a similar effect to voting, so a post might get tagged by 1000 people as 'corporate lies', or as 'music', or whatever else.

Nice thing about this would be finer grained queries with news, for instance. Could get 'politics', but minus 'corporate lies'.

[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 4 months ago

This is a really cool idea, and some fediverse software already lets you follow hashtags (ie Pixelfed and maybe Mastodon). I could imagine this being immediately abused by mistagging to force material into your feed. It’s already a problem on Pixelfed.

[–] 7EP6vuI 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

i think you mix two concepts here:

the first is basically that you can post to multiple communities at once (community = tag)

the second is that users can assign tags/communities to existing posts, and vote for them

i like both and already thought about the first one, but not the second one... I first thought it might be a problem that if you add a community/tag to an existing post it will be immediately visible on said community/tag, but if this is a problem for said community, someone could down-vote there and it would vanish. but then you would need two up votes: one for community fit, and one for the post itself. could be a problem, if you post one link to a very popular community and a very small one, then the post would get many upvotes and be on the top of the small one...

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'd leave the sorting up to the users. So for a post where 5 users tagged it as 'baroque music', and 5000 tagged it as 'boring', one could sort the feed by 'total tags' on a post indicating general interest (5005), or just 'total tags I follow' which might just be 'baroque music' (5). Or maybe reverse sort by tags so 'boring' stuff is towards the bottom.

I'd think that ignoring tags would be a thing for users, so "libtards" or whatever could be ignored.

Tag mods could ban problematic users, so someone could get banned for tagging 'corporate lies' where the mods think it doesn't belong. Offenders could make their own 'corporate liez' tag though, I suppose.

A tag hierarchy might be desirable, like everything tagged 'baroque' also getting 'music' automatically. Perhaps through agreements with the mods of each tag.

'archive of our own' I've heard has a solid system of tag moderation. Not sure it would be appropriate for a system like this.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 4 months ago

Adding a tag could auto-upvote.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 4 months ago

I like the community method, because admins are going to want to own something more tangible. However, would love to see Lemmy implement user tagging on top of it.

[–] theangriestbird@beehaw.org 1 points 4 months ago

cohost?

[–] DmMacniel 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

what are proper moderation tools though?

[–] thief_of_names@beehaw.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Dunno? More moderation tools in general. Lemmy mods regularly complain about a lack of tools, but I've never moderated anything so I wouldn't know. The project page probably describes what additional tools it has which is one of the things I'm interested in reading about.

Perhaps some moderators can chime in with what kinda stuff they miss or want?

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

FYI, here's all the moderation things outstanding: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/labels/area%3A%20moderation

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's not a list of things BeeHaw finds lacking though.

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well, there's been a lot of updates and a lot of moderation tools improvements since the version that beehaw has deployed was released.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

Just providing context for folks who may not be familiar with GitHub

[–] leisesprecher 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And why do they have to be spun out into their own network? I'm pretty sure the lemmy devs would have no problem with just integrating tools within Lemmy, or at least provide suitable APIs for external tools.

[–] DmMacniel 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean as long as they are 100% compatible with lemmy extensions to the ActivityPub protocol or atleast ActivityPub, fine by me.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The ability to delete images would be a nice start

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 months ago

It is a feature since 0.19.3 released a few weeks ago

[–] bluGill@kbin.run 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

kbin/mbin is another alternative. I have no idea how the moderation tools are, but it is open source.

[–] Gamers_mate@beehaw.org 2 points 4 months ago

As someone who has used kbin/mbin I do like the layout. I am also interested in sublinks since I have not used that yet.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I thought it was confirmed to be Piefed once that is complete enough to be useful. Idk, though, maybe that is me just imagining things.

Edit: I am imagining things, it is Sublinks

[–] comicallycluttered@beehaw.org 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It was confirmed Sublinks a little while ago:

https://beehaw.org/comment/3686715

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 4 months ago

I was imagining things, as is tradition

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

Why didn't you post this as a top level reply to OP? It directly answers them.

[–] thief_of_names@beehaw.org 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't heard about piefed before, but I'll be keeping an eye on this one as well. Thanks!