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[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Maybe you haven't noticed it, but many people are deeply irrational.

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[–] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

They are taught about it from childhood and many of us don't questions stuff we've learnt in our childhood.

Education fails to instil scientific temper in them

Lack of proper mental health awareness and support.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Even if they do question, it’s not like they are in a safe environment to do so openly. They have to be prepared to give up community, friends, family, potentially their physical safety, and a worldview that says exactly who to be and how to live to be living a good life. That’s a huge step.

I know for a fact there are religious people going through the motions because the alternative is too frightening, just like people stay in bad marriages.

[–] TheRaven@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right. Throughout human history, if someone was cast out of a community, they didn’t survive. We’ve been trained through evolution to go along with the tribe because it’s unsafe to question anything and get cast out.

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[–] electro1@infosec.pub 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

They are taught about it from childhood

in one single word >> Indoctrinated

OP this is why people believe in religion, and it's nearly impossible to get them out of it, you can't reason someone out of something they weren't reasoned into in the first place

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[–] yuri@pawb.social 15 points 2 months ago

Indoctrination at a young age.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Because belief is intrinsic to humanity even if we don't believe in religion.

I believe in a lot of human concepts, including kindness, altruism, democracy and humanism. They are all still effectively made up human ideas.

I also believe when I sit down that the chair below me really exists but I cannot truly trust my own senses 100% either. So effectively I "believe" what my sensory organs and brain interpretation tell me, but the reality is the brain and its interpretations can be wrong.

Look at the USA, the founders of the nation are often treated with a reverence akin to that of religious figures.

People have all kinds of delusions. People worship all kinds of weird things. Religion is just one of many.

Finally, someone like Ayn Rand shows that a human can have pretty reprehensible and hypocritical beliefs even if they are an atheist. She promoted bullshit "great men" theories of humanity and argued that selfishness could be used for good.

She also died penniless and on government benefits while spending her whole life preaching against things like government benefits.

People are deeply irrational even without religion.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

As an atheist who is not anti-religion, I wholeheartedly agree. The religious do not have a monopoly on irrationality, or weaponizing ideology.

I see many atheists on forums proposing the idea that if we could only just get rid of religion, the world would be a harmonious and rational place. As if human beings wouldn't still be perfectly able to come up with new and interesting ways to rationalize conflict and division amongst themselves.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Thank you for being honest.

Humans are emotional creatures. We can’t change that. Even when we’re being rational we’re still basing every decision we make on emotions. β€œI’ve researched this and I feel this is the right decision.”

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[–] Philote@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

Gods are literally just a psychological comfort blanket to explain the unexplainable. Most religious people don’t put that much thought into what they believe, challenging concepts are just tucked nicely away in the β€œGods will” box and they move on. I think everyone copes with those brain shattering concepts in their own creative way or risk getting buried alive in anxiety.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Because the lowest common denominator is much MUCH lower than you think it is.

This means it's easy to indoctrinate and easy to maintain that for a massive number of people.

Scientific illiteracy is extremely high, and actual "6th grade reading comprehension" is the highest level of literacy for > 50% of a country like the U.S. and ~20% are low literacy or actually illiterate.

This means that half of everyone in the U.S. can read and understand what they read at or below a 6th grade level. This isn't "reading big words", it's "tell us about what you read", "what is the relationship between x & y" type questions.

This comment for example, up to this point only, would be difficult to understand & comprehend for > 50% of people in the U.S. (it demands an 11th grade reading comprehension). And may be misread, misunderstood, or not understood at all.

People are driven to religions to cults and alt conspiracy theories when they don't understand how the world works around them. They latch onto extremely simple often misleading or incorrect ideas of how the world works because they can understand it and it "makes sense" within their sphere of ignorance (we all have one, this isn't meant to be a disparaging term).

This means that the problem is that humans are just not smart enough to escape religion yet. It's the simplest answer, and it appears to be correct.

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 4 points 2 months ago

Add to that the fact that there are people who use this fact, and try and control people using religion for personal gain.

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[–] Revonult@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The alternative is absolutely unfathomable. Like I am an atheist and the fact we exist in any capacity is insane. Where did everything come from? Where will it go? People believe in religion because it's easier.

When I have an existential crisis over it I sometimes wish I was religious.

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[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One popular answer is that sometimes people just experience things that they find scientific answers to not be able to answer adequately. We as a species are still far from knowing everything.

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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I'm not religious at all. But in responding to your question OP: we don't have to understand why people believe. Religion just isn't for us, and that's fine. Other people find it has value, and that's fine too. The fact that religion has lasted this long with this many people is proof in itself that there's some value people get out of it. We don't have to get it to understand that.

All the comments here that explain religion solely as dumb or irrational are just as closed minded as the people they're criticising.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Hard disagree. Religion has a measurable impact on people voting against the rights of minorities, and it deserves every bit of scrutiny it has coming its way.

It's not like Bigfoot or flat earth. This shit is having serious consequences for others, physically and mentally.

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[–] thirteene@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

On point, additionally religion has also effectively associated itself with spirituality. It's also associated itself with caring for others, volunteering, community, togetherness and acceptance. Additionally it's a great place to network and organize communities. Even if belief has faded, tradition is usually important with that group of people.

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[–] tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Humans psyche is a meaning inference recursive engine, semiotically I mean, following Charles Sanders Peirce's Theory of Signs, it generates meaning and thus needs a story to explain it, or simply to tell itself.

The story doesn't need to hold sound logic or any objectivity true to reality, it only needs to convey the meaning that it generated so that the mind can believe it more than questioning its validity.

Long story short, humans really likes being told and believing stories, and often they are the ones telling the story right to themselves.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Alternative ways of explaining the world have been around for like a century and a half, and religious conversion is slow.

Why we did religion in the first place instead of just "I dunno where stuff came from or why" is a much more interesting question IMO.

[–] TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't find it surprising given that the vast majority of people don't research the claims that other people make. For example, during the GameStop short squeeze, people came to the conclusion that corruption or collusion was at play, when in reality it wasn't for the most part.

People would rather listen to a guy who says something confidently than a guy who says "I don't know." The former gets to spread their word, and the latter gets ignored.

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[–] Twitches@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I believe it started with a sense of security. Don't worry, there's a reason and someone is in control of this shit show. Feels better than we're on this crazy freight train called life that is almost completely out of control, no one knows where we're going, no one knows how we're going to get there, and we basically have no control over any of it.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I like how all these answers involving science fail to realize that the scientific method was used exclusively by many scholars and students who had no historical evidence of giving up their religion.

Empirical evidence is as old as humans, and afaik the modern scientific method has been in use since the Islamic golden age if not older.

The key here is that many of these people did not consider religion an empirical issue but a philosophical and ethical one. Particularly with the monotheistic religions, this would make sense because you can easily argue that it would be impractical to test for the existence of God.

I think a better question would be why do people believe in their respective religion if it contains a glaring contradiction(s).

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The existence of one or more gods can't be conclusively proven or disproven. So it makes sense to me that some people believe in it and others don't.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The funny thing is that people believe very specific things about gods, like that there's only one, or that they're nice or at least have similar values to us.

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[–] farsinuce@feddit.dk 4 points 2 months ago

Man believes in stories. Such as religion, or money, or companies.

Ref. Yuval Noah Harari.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In some religions walking away from the church means being excluded from family, social, and business contacts. So cutting ties with everyone you know basically.

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[–] metawish@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I, for real, want to know if there are any religious/spiritual people here commenting because yikes. I think a lot of people also interpreted your question to be about organized religion, and specifically christianity of the US variety. Please seek out other religious thoughts - I've found much Jewish thought on religion to be of interest. For myself, I'm not christian and not Jewish.

I'm religious because growing up, I adopted the values of the religion I was taught - values of kindness, openness, and inclusion. It's as core a part of my being as my ways of cooking or socializing. To not be religious would feel like hiding parts of myself.

The routine of following the practices, as well as religion/spirituality being able to help us face the unknown we still have in our lives. It can provide internal strength and belief in our ability. I also find the routine a way to connect to my family, my culture, and to my day-to-day. My religious time is more a time of internal reflection on my own actions and if they align with my values. Do folks without a routine religious/spiritual practice do the same?

The community aspect some touched on is huge. I read a book, Palaces for the People, where it mentioned that those with strong social connections fare better in times of crisis. While there are institutions that are getting to the same influence of religious institutions, they are still far less impactful.

I guess this is all less a belief and more why do people still engage with religion. But why do we believe, what is the act of believing? I don't have to believe that the sun will rise every morning, but, I do still believe it will rise every morning. Belief is a whole area of study alone I'm sure.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It seems like you're equating being religious with everything except accepting theistic claims. You can have everything you've mentioned without religion. What OP is asking is why do people accept theistic claims despite there being little to no evidence for them?

I don't have to believe that the sun will rise every morning, but, I do still believe it will rise every morning

You believe it'll rise because you have more than thousands of instances of this happening at the same time every day. You didn't just decide to believe it, you believe it because you found good reasons to believe it.

Try deciding to believe you're a levitating purple dinosaur. I can't, can you?

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[–] Sparton@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Ignoring the inherit assumption that religion is de facto an issue or backwards, and ignoring the fallacy that "progress" is co-liniar with the passage of time, logic is not in of itself a perfect humanistic process of thought, rather it has been developed by humans over the millennia.

There is great comfort in the process of growing into and exploring one's faith. Growing up in a theologically liberal Christian church, I was invited to find ways to meld the kingdom of God and the kingdom of man is such a way that I find purpose and vocation within my life. Religion also offers a place for community among people committed to a mission, be it good or bad. These communities preserve and honor cultural traditions, again, the good and the bad. These are just a few reasons I think people are now, and will remain well into the future, religious.

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Indoctrination.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It is very difficult to accept mortality if you don't believe in an afterlife. Religion brings comfort, and comfort improves mental health (at the cost of some delusion).

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[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Here are a few reasons people believe:

  • Meaning and Purpose: Religion can offer a framework for understanding the universe and our place in it. It can provide answers to big questions about life, death, and morality.

  • Community and Belonging: Religious communities can provide social support, a sense of belonging, and shared values. This can be especially important during difficult times.

  • Comfort and Hope: Religion can offer comfort in times of grief or hardship. It can also provide hope for the afterlife or a better future.

  • Tradition and Identity: Religion can be a core part of a person's cultural heritage or family identity. People may feel a connection to their ancestors or cultural background through their faith.

  • Ethics and Morality: Many religions provide a moral code that guides people's behavior. This can be helpful in making decisions about right and wrong.

I don't believe, but I can see why people stick with it and don't look beyond it. You can get all these things without religion, its just not something that's taught/passed down in the same way as religion is. Additionally, deconstructing is very difficult. You're raised to believe something to be real and you're expected to just drop it and step out of Plato's cave? You'd look like a madman to any friends/family who aren't willing and ready to step out and look around.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

As a large language model, I cannot endorse any one religion

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Come on, this list of reasons was written by an LLM

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[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Because (Christian) "Faith" is a unique, arguably delusional, cyclical belief system based on feelings. It's similar to the anti-vaccine mentality of "that's just your opinion" when it's not. The biggest difference being that there is no proving or disproving the existence of God.

And Faith is built on this self-referential system of "you gotta have Faith in God because God is real and God is good and strong Faith will help you continue believing in God when you are otherwise challenged, and weak Faith is a sign that you are straying from God and you should strengthen your Faith by believing in God harder because God is real and God is good..."

I used to be more religious and also thought "believe in whatever you want to believe in as long as you don't be a dick about it," but that's really been changing a lot lately.

Christianity has fallen so far and so many self-diagnosed Christians are just the worst type of people that I just couldn't relate to them anymore and felt the need to distance myself.

There have probably been (speculation because I don't feel like looking up details right now) more deaths in the name of Christianity and the Christian God than any other religion and that continues to this day.

I contribute modern day deaths from pregnancy complications deprived of needed health care, general lack of other health care for low income families, LGBTQIA2A+ suicides or other deaths, and more to "traditional Christian values".

Christian Nationalists can go fuck themselves and rot in their own hell they hate so much.

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