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The weird Lemmy propaganda has been very anti Bernie recently. Corey Booker folded like a lawn chair. I want memes of that genuine failure that just happened. This is lazy OP, lazy AF.
Block button exists for a reason. I'm using mine.
The "Israel has a right to defend itself" line is pure misinformation. Here's his actual quote, in full:
"Israel, of course, had the right to defend itself against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people."
Eh seems like this is just a lazy repost not something intentional or spammy. Your full quote probably straitened OP out.
You're free to use your block button however you choose. To me this looks like a troll intentionally spreading misinformation. I have little benefit of the doubt left to give out to people posting on the internet
Yeah this guy posts his lunch. He's just a tankie that fell for a pretty meme
That doesn't make them not a troll spreading misinformation. My requirements for blocking are not "literal bot account". Again, you are free to make your own choices about how to interact with the internet
Interesting. I mean, I’m sure Bernie has faults but I don’t really see the point in attacking someone who created and is holding the only tent pole for, frankly, a reasonable middle of the road candidate (if we view him in comparison to the rest of the sane world).
I get giving shit to Corey Booker. People are gray. I can list a handful of things that Corey has done lately that fit this meme.
I honestly don’t even know what this meme is referring to maybe I’m out of the loop.
But I agree with you, attacking Bernie isn’t the way. Reeks of agent provocateur.
My guess is it’s a fresh wave of propaganda to wedge the progressives. What’s new.
People don’t have to be perfect for us to join the cause and make it better. Don’t fall for it kids. We only get out of this if we ignore this bullshit and link arms.
Ps: and look, I get it if Bernie isn’t left enough for some of you. That’s ok to feel that way and it’s probably true for a good lot of you. But attacking him ain’t gonna solve the massive fuckstorm we are collectively going to go through. We either quit bullshit like this or die from factionalization. Like every other movement has in the past 95 years.
Sigh. I usually have a personal rule about getting into arguments on the internet but I have no self control today apparently. I'm not even american but this comment missed the point so spectacularly, I feel the need to reply. Not as an attack on the person I am replying to, but almost as an academic exercise...
I belive the message of the meme is that Bernie is doing harm but accumulating support as a more leftwing senator and then failing to actually take any meaningful stance. When people put hope into a member of the establishment that exists to uphold the current system at all costs, they give themselves a pat on the back, consider the job done, and fail to look at other possibilities which would lead to their actual liberation. The idea that he serves to "hold the tent pole" for a middle of the road candidate is not logical because in practice he is no different than the rest of the DNC.
I don't understand how this could in any way be compared to an agent provocateur, but I suppose what is meant is sowing discord more than the more literal meaning. Overall, I agree. This meme is meant to point out that Bernie is actively harmful to liberation of the american people and is meant to ask people to wedge from the "progressives" who seek polite imperialism.
I don't disagree with this statement but the OP isn't attacking Bernie for being imperfect but pointing out that this is by design.
Supporting the DNC isn't going to fix your country either. There is no path to liberation within your current system. Good luck tho ✌️
I think the biggest reason Bernie gets more hate from the Left is because in many ways people were radicalized by him, and then outrgrew him. He's disappointing. He did a good job of getting many liberals to adopt more progressive views, but he will constantly fold because that's all he can do with the strategy he takes. Electoralism doesn't work, and those radicalized by Bernie increasingly see that and feel betrayed.
There are also those that weren't radicalized by Bernie, and thus always saw him as a sheepdog for the Empire.
Yes, I appreciate that Bernie moved me further left than I was already. Although, if I had more political consciousness before Bernie arrived on the scene, that shift would have happened irregardless. I dropped out of politics for about a good decade (after being disillusioned with Obama's first term) and he got me back thinking that a real progressive had a shot.
But after the last ten years, it's quite evident that the progressive wing of the Dems are merely a pressure release valve, same that the Dems are for the Republicans. It just keeps people endlessly mired within the constraints of a system that will not move leftward no matter the consequences of not doing so.
After reading enough Marxist literature, it's clear Marx was right, and that only a revolution ending in the dismantling of the current system and installation of a worker's controlled one, will create any meaningful and lasting change for the working classes.
Yep, the entire system is built to give the illusion that it's capable of change, while giving all of the reigns to Capital.
A fantastic book covering the American political system, is "Democracy Inc" by Sheldon S. Wolin, which wrote about how the system is constructed to give the semblance of democratic participation but, is in fact, what he terms a "managed democracy", in which the levers of the democratic processes are manipulated to a minute degree. He wrote this book in ~2006, I believe, which just goes to show how long this horse and pony show has been going on for (probably FAR longer).
It's been going on since the conception of the US Electoral system, that's what it's been designed to do from the beginning.
He's quite literally alone in the senate. He cannot do anything do himself, that's not how a Republic works.
I understand that his lack of success is due to the way the US government works. My point is that that's the primary impedement for him, trying to work with a system designed against change, rather than trying to undermine that very system.
What makes you think that would be any more successful?
The fact that it's been the primary strategy for achieving genuine positive change against the will of the ruling vlass for as long as class society has existed.