"Israel, of course, had the right to defend itself against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people."

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"the 'israel has a right to defend itself' line is pure misinformation, he actually said 'israel has a right to defend itself' "

incredible stuff from the brightest minds here on Lemmy

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

against the horrific Hamas terrorist attack of October 7th, but it did not, and does not, have the right to go to war against the entire Palestinian people."

If you look closely, you'll find there actually are more words that follow. Keep reading.

He did not say they "have" a right to defend themself, but "had" a right to defend themself against a specific event that occurred. He also makes clear that it is not a valid justification to go to war against all of Palestine.

What issue do you have with his statement, exactly?

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who are Hamas, how did they come to be and what are they doing? What did they do on the 7th of October, 2023? Why does a settler-colonialist entity have the right to defend itself in this given context? Does it have the right on other contexts? Does it not, and if not, what does that change? Do you recognize what you are defending by virtue of your hyper-examining of a statement that doesn't change its meaning even after the hyper-examination?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/11/28/bernie_sanders_israel_has_a_right_to_defend_itself_but_not_to_kill_12000_innocent_people_in_response.html

Israel has a right to defend itself, but what Israel does not have a right to do, in my view, is to kill 12,000 people in six, seven weeks, two-thirds of whom are women and children.

https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2024/01/16/u-s-senate-turns-aside-bernie-sanders-measure-to-order-human-rights-inquiry-of-israel/

“Israel has the right to defend itself and go to war with Hamas, who started this whole situation,” Sanders said on the Senate floor. “Israel does not have the right to go to war with the entire Palestinian people … And sadly that is what is happening right now.”

From the same source:

“The resolution brought forward by Sen. Sanders is little more than performative left-wing politics,” the Kentucky Republican said. “It is not, as our colleague would suggest, about authorizing a report on aid to Israel. It’s not even about human rights. It’s about tying the hands of a close ally locked in a necessary battle against savage terrorists.”

Team Red, the brother to Team Blue in its shared interest in imperialism, can smell his bullshit from a mile away and have no problem pointing out using non-euphemistic terms that are a reflection of how they really think about Palestine and Palestinians, the last question is, why are you struggling with this?

For as long as these questions remain unanswered truthfully, reality will be very hard to grasp for you.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Reading a full sentence is "hyper-examination" lmaoooooo okie dokie

But questioning the definiton of every word of it when it is plainly obvious isn't hyper-examination 😂😂

Thanks for providing more examples of his consistent stance on this for me?? Literally supports my point. So again, what about it, exactly, do you disagree with?

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Your "erm, akshually"-esque point makes complete sense when you don't consider Palestinians as humans and have no right to resistance. It's not an opinion, there's nothing to "agree" or "disagree" with.

Now quit squirming and answer each and every single question posed. Or what, you wanna pass on the opportunity to show the 10 other people reading this thread how much you understand the subject, since you libs love to tout "nuance" so much when all you do is play semantics?

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

when you don't consider Palestinians as humans

Quick question, were the Israeli civilians who were killed in a mass killing spree on October 7th human, too?

I realise my other repeated question so far has been pretty tough and you've had to try to continuously dodge and deflect from it instead of just simply say the thing you actually think, but this one should be pretty simple and straightforward to just answer with a yes or no, right?? You kinda walked right into it, too, so.

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No. "Israeli civilians" is an oxymoron: as Israelis are reservists at best and full-time genociders at least. They're Europeans/Americans, and they all had a choice in the matter when settling in land that don't belong to them. History did not begin on the 7th of October, 2023. Refer back to this lovely reply by @m532@lemmygrad.ml who manages to succinctly clear your doubts: https://lemmy.ml/post/29464508/18363453

I realise my other repeated question so far has been pretty tough and you’ve had to try to continuously dodge and deflect from it instead of just simply say the thing you actually think

Question:

Literally supports my point. So again, what about it, exactly, do you disagree with?

Answer:

Your “erm, akshually”-esque point makes complete sense when you don’t consider Palestinians as humans and have no right to resistance. there’s nothing to “agree” or “disagree” with.

Whether my questions are answered or not, reality won't be forgiving, unfortunately for you soon enough you'll have to come to terms with it, lib.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No.

No wonder you require such projection and mental gymnastics.

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Looks like that one might've gotten you scratched, bloodthirsty lib. Projection of what? And what mental gymnastics? I answered the question straight and to the point, with no fluff to skirt around the question, or any of the questions for that matter.

Seems you just recently found out about these terms, then decided to incorrectly use them to avoid actually engaging with the topic + to avoid any of the questions, because once you do eventually find out the answers to them, you'll come to realize that you're defending Zionism and by extension, US Imperialism.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eh seems like this is just a lazy repost not something intentional or spammy. Your full quote probably straitened OP out.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're free to use your block button however you choose. To me this looks like a troll intentionally spreading misinformation. I have little benefit of the doubt left to give out to people posting on the internet

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah this guy posts his lunch. He's just a tankie that fell for a pretty meme

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

That doesn't make them not a troll spreading misinformation. My requirements for blocking are not "literal bot account". Again, you are free to make your own choices about how to interact with the internet