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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not changing the nominee at this stage would be effectively ceding the election

Fixed it for you.

I'm convinced that most of this anti-Biden rhetoric is coming from right-wing astroturfers.

Of course you are. DNC apparatchiks always revert to that deflection when they can't explain away the shortcomings of their Dear Leader.

In stead of emulating Dubya's "if you're not with us, you're against us" absolutism bullshit, maybe try to understand why your candidate is much more unpopular than any incumbent that's ever been reelected.

Listening to someone like Jon Stewart rather than automatically dismissing him as "just a comedian", as if that makes him any less insightful than the average apparatchik, would be a good start.

so-called progressives claiming that anyone could beat Trump

Again with the apparatchik fantasy, this time with an added strawman!

Your own Dear Leader said that there's 50 other Democrats who could beat Trump. Is he lying or are we right that he's in decline? Both?

Did we learn nothing in 2016?

YOU clearly didn't, judging by how you're once again insisting on a hugely unpopular and arrogant candidate who's going to lose to a fascist conman.

Even the 2020 election was way too close for comfort.

Because Biden was a bad candidate even then. Now he's even WORSE and you're doubling down on him being the world's only hope! 🤦

he has exceeded my expectations significantly.

Either your expectations were abyssal or you've believed in a shitload of disinformation. Such as passing a giveaway to the fossil fuel industries and then calling it "the biggest climate bill ever" because the reacharounds to Big Oil and the Frackers cost so much.

I'm disappointed that there aren't any viable younger candidates

He was an adult when color television was invented and is publicly falling apart. OF COURSE there are younger candidates that are more viable! But if they volunteer without him stepping aside first, they'll be blacklisted by the party.

Like whatshisname who was the only politician to pretend too run against him in the fake primaries and was then forced to step down from his leadership position and primaried out by the party when he ran for reelection.

that's still a problem that needs to be solved in the next primary

There won't be one unless you replace Biden with someone who'll beat Trump

that's certainly not going to stop me from voting for Biden again

Hopefully you'll be stopped from doing that by a better candidate taking his place.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago

Just dismissing my points without addressing any of them lol.

The person I replied to listed Biden's accomplishments. I was the same as you back in the 2020 election - I thought Biden would be just a regular corporate Democrat, but he proved me wrong within his first year. I can admit that. He's definitely not as progressive as I would prefer, but he's far exceeded my expectations. I look at what he's actually done, not what Fox News wants me to believe he is.

You mentioned that his climate change bill was a fossil-fuel industry handout... I'm searching the Internet and can't find any publication with that take. I can see plenty of other criticisms (supporting hydrogen is controversial, Republicans have plenty of complaints as expected, we probably need to do more, it doesn't solve international issues, etc), but I can't find any indication from anywhere that it was too kind of fossil fuel corporations. Do you have any more information on that?

No successfully elected US president in history has ever started a campaign so late. If there was some front runner, a really strong candidate who had a legitimate shot, perhaps I'd entertain the idea. But that is simply not the case. Biden dropping out now is exactly what the GOP wants.

This isn't just a matter of younger candidates volunteering.The primary already happened. There was a time and a place to have this conversation and Biden won. You and I don't have to like it.

Comparing Biden to Hillary is laughable. Incumbents generally win the presidency, and Biden was popular enough to unseat Trump in 2020. Now he has a pretty good record of accomplishments to run on. He was never as hated as Hillary. That could be personal charisma, misogyny, the scandals the Clinton's had as a couple, her own racist comments resurfacing, the supercuts of her taking both sides on literally every issue, or other things. Biden isn't perfect, but as far as presidential candidates go the best the GOP has been able to do is Hunter's laptop.