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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 185 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

People either don't seem to understand, or are pretending not to understand for political purposes, that Harris has a very thin line to toe until the election. If she says anything strongly in either way regarding Israel/Palestine, she will lose.

Anyone telling you that she is worse than Trump on the issue is a goddamn liar

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

She might just lose for not saying anything strongly anyway.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Yeah, but then centrists will get the right wing policies they want and get to blame the left for it.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago

And get to fund raise off it

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago

She might... That would suck.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Trump supporters always underreport in polls. She's not holding her own in the swing states. Harris is going to lose and usher in fascism and the end of the republic, all so she can take some sweet, sweet far-right-wing foreign government bribes.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Harris started her political career by condemning Obama for not perfectly obeying Israel. She votes for Israel every time. She even tells a story how she planted trees for Israel as a child.

The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.

I'm curious what you think Israel is asking of the Vice President of the United States? What is it that you think the VP does?

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

No one is asking her to do anything as VP, this person is saying harris is committed to enabling israel's genocide and has a history of supporting israel unconditionally. we want her to commit to upholding american laws around not supplying arms genocidal regimes as president; which israel categorically is currently. literally every organization that has investigated israeli conduct in Gaza and now Lebanon has come to the same conclusion. The UN, WHO, our own internal analysis.

They've gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

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[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I’m curious what you think Israel is asking of the Vice President of the United States? What is it that you think the VP does?

She's a candidate talking about what she'll do in her term. Stop playing dumb.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

She votes for Israel every time.

[citation needed]

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here is a good compilation

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/can-kamala-harris-wipe-the-blood

"Soon after being elected to the Senate in 2016, Harris earned a reputation as an ardent defender of Israel. She spoke two years in a row at AIPAC conferences and co-sponsored legislation aimed at undermining a United Nations resolution condemning Israel’s illegal annexation of Palestinian land. One of her first international trips as a senator was to Israel where she met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 2017. “I support the United States’ commitment to provide Israel with $38 billion in military assistance over the next decade,” Harris told an AIPAC conference that year. “I believe the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable, and we can never let anyone drive a wedge between us. … As long as I’m a United States senator, I will do everything in my power to ensure broad and bipartisan support for Israel’s security and right to self-defense.” Harris has compared building support for Israel to the coalitions forged during the U.S. civil rights movement"

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If centrists don't like that they don't get 100% of everything they want, in this case unconditional support for genocide, they can vote blue no matter who.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm not sure you even understood my comment. And yet at least 10 other people read this and were like "yup, that sounds right."

Suspect.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People generally have really poor reading comprehension. I've been surprised by how bad it is here on lemmy. I've had folks argue against things not even remotely close to what was said, and then other morons will come along to dogpile.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

people are scanning, it happens, done it myself. the problem is people are so scared of harris losing they're attacking people who have no interest in supporting harris as a result of this issue and think that will somehow get them to vote harris. shrug

if harris loses she loses and thats on her. she wants to play the law and order candidate while simultaneously not committing to upholding the laws we have on the books and enabling a genocide well thats on her.

Can't help that shes committing the same errors of judgement that biden did and we didn't support him either after he started breaking strikes and enabling genocide.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

the problem is people are so scared of harris losing they’re attacking people who have no interest in supporting harris as a result of this issue and think that will someone get them to vote harris. shrug

The people you describe attack Harris voters too. They attack anyone with misgivings about genocide support.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

They're a troll. Somehow everyone who disagrees with them even slightly is a centrist who wants the war to happen.

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Exactly this.

People are upset because of the fine line she has to walk, but I have always figured that once she wins the election she'd do the right thing, and this event makes me believe I'm right to have faith.

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