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[–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 95 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Strategically speaking liberal politicians are backed into a corner and only have two real options:

  1. Seize control preemptively, promoting conservative conspiracy to prophecy, and likely inciting CW2.

  2. Hand over full control come January and hope they continue to maintain some privilege under a new regime.

They're already in check, but more concerned with soliciting large donations and collecting hot stick tips.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 53 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We want them to do option 1, but know they are going to choose option 2.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

When confronted with fascist Threats liberals always blink. They'll wade through masses of bodies to destroy what they perceive to be a leftist threat, but they don't stand up to fascists.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

All democracies turn into dictatorships - but not by coup. The people give their democracy to a dictator, whether it's Julius Caesar or Napoleon or Adolf Hitler. Ultimately, the general population goes along with the idea.

George Lucas

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Didn't Caesar literally march his army into Rome? 'crossing the rubicon' - and then there was a thing called the roman civil war

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah. There was also the title, literally "dictator", that was bestowed on individuals in times of crisis (or perceived crisis), and in some cases the power of the dictator was returned to the republic when the crisis was addressed (see Cincinnatus). Rome had an established process for giving power to the dictator.

[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Alea iacta est

[–] Devdogg@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't like sand.

George Lucas

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago

Go. Start some research, and head out. Many countries you can just enter. Call it a vacation for the first year and see if you like it.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee -3 points 4 months ago

Oh boy I can't wait to get to another capitalist country!

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Liberal politicians do not need to be the ones to make sure #1 happens. The second amendment literally exists so the citizens have the capacity to do that ourselves.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

200 years ago though, now you'll get shit stomped by the military. The 2a thing is honestly a joke.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

It wasn't a joke from me. Democracy dies when the good man does nothing. I am a good man and I will fight for this democracy, as fucked up as it is. The right believes the left to be weak pacifists because we choose compromise, tolerance, and acceptance over bigotry, hate, and subjugation. They will need to learn the hard way that we choose that because we know that mutually beneficial social contracts make living better and provide a safe, prosperous world. They obviously do not want to be party to these social contracts with me, so I will not allow them any of the safety or benefits.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But the president has the power to tell the army "Don't do shit" in complete impunity.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He does, but why would the president tell the army to do nothing when the people are rising up against said president? Nobody is that stupid, any rise up against the government will end with the military curb stomping it in about 15 minutes.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Domestic wars are never pretty, no matter how powerful the military. Most people in the military don't serve to shoot their own country. Countries don't want to damage their own infrastructure or enflame their own people. Oligarchs won't support a war that damages their bottom line. People vastly over simply how easy it would be to stop an armed resistance.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did you see the police step on people during the blm 2020 marches? They have no problem being fascists

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Most of those where cops only larping as military. Military operations are a completely different thing. No country wants to fight their own people. Your own logistics, intelligence, supply chains, and financing all rely, in part, on the very people you are fighting... You can't trust or count on the chain of command at any point, at any point your keys to power can turn on you and you're dead. Leaders with half a brain know you usually don't have a long life attacking your own people.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

We're talking about people rising against the Republican side of the government

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Eh, Iraq and Afghanistan went rather poorly for the United States.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with the second amendment?

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Second amendment grants the right to bear arms, arms were used by the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What does Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with America and taking arms up against our government? You really think a bunch of hillbillies with guns are going to do shit against our military?

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the Taliban could also be described as a "hillbillies with guns" when they started out. And you know what, they won.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol. Are you really comparing their government and military to ours, here in the USA? You sound delusional, you a tRump voter or just a troll?

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

In your comment, who is they?

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

Option 2 is suicide. I guess that's it for American Democracy. Of course, option 3 being that the Democrats win every election until the Republican party collapses. At which point the Democratic party will likely split, with one part becoming a moderate party, and the other half absorbing the remains of the Republican party.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Or .... Ya know.... Get the votes