PugJesus

What a time to be alive. As it seems now, I was entirely wrong, as was 'conventional' political wisdom. May I continue to be wrong. It's a welcome failure, as far as I'm concerned.

That sentence is from the POV of the article’s author, not the POV of the state dept’s lawyers.

The Biden team during the campaign reached the conclusion that China had carried out genocide several months before Pompeo’s declaration. In August 2020, Biden’s presidential campaign issued a statement concluding that China’s mass internment of Uighur Muslims and other ethnic minorities in Xinjiang amounts to “genocide.” Blinken reiterated that view during his confirmation hearing. Pressed on whether he agreed with Pompeo’s assertion that genocide occurred in Xinjiang, Blinken answered, “That would be my judgment as well.”

But Thomas-Greenfield, however, appeared to hedge during a subsequent confirmation hearing, saying that while the situation “feels like” genocide, she was awaiting the findings of a State Department review. “I know the State Department is reviewing that as we speak,” she said, before later aligning her position with Blinken’s.

“Secretary Blinken and I have made clear that genocide has been committed against the Uyghurs in Xinjiang,” she wrote in response to a question from Sen. Marco Rubio.

Did you read ANY of the article you posted, or do you just read headlines?

Investigative methods The report was created by the United Nations through a thorough review of evidence documented by the OHCHR.[41] Several forms of evidence were considered in making the report, including interviews with several dozen people who lived in Xinjiang at the time that abuses had been publicly reported.[39][40] The report also focused its analysis on what the Chinese government had publicly stated contemporaneously with the reported abuses, including public Chinese government documents and laws promulgated at the time.[41][42] In May 2022, OHCHR commissioner Michelle Bachelet visited Xinjiang. Prior to her visit, she spoke with representatives of several NGOs that were concerned about the both human rights situation in Xinjiang and in China, more broadly. After arriving in the region, she talked to numerous government officials, academics, and civil society leaders.[41] However, due to opposition by China, the OHCHR was unable to conduct a more thorough investigation on-the-ground within the borders of the People's Republic.[40]

Findings The report's findings included that a large number of abuses had occurred within Xinjiang, corroborating academic research and public reporting on the abuses in the largely ethnic minority region.[40] The report concluded that human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims in Xinjiang are serious and widespread.[43]

Arbitrary detention In the report, the OHCHR stated that reports that the Chinese government had arbitrarily detained Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims en masse in the Xinjiang internment camps were credible, specifying that the actions of the Chinese state amounted to deprivation of liberty and were undertaken in a discriminatory fashion.[39][44] Former inmates who were detained in Xinjiang stated that they had received beatings while strapped to a chair and described undergoing torture similar to waterboarding; the report also noted that there was credible evidence of torture within internment camps.[45] The report indicated that these abuses constituted widespread violations of human rights and that they may rise to the level of crimes against humanity.[44]

Forced labor The report found that the Chinese government's labor schemes relating to what the government of China referred to as vocational training constituted discrimination.[39][44] With respect to whether labor schemes that China describes as poverty alleviation schemes have involved the coercion of Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities into forced labor, the report stated that there was evidence that these schemes did indeed involve coercion of laborers.[42][45]

Sexual violence and sterilizations The OHCHR described reports of sexual violence targeted at Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims within the Xinjiang internment camps as credible.[39] Women interviewed by the United Nations described being orally raped by prison guards and being forcibly subjected to examinations of their genitalia in front of large crowds.[40] The report also noted that there was an "unusually sharp rise" in the amount of intrauterine device insertions and sterilizations performed in Xinjiang and stated that the Chinese government used coercive means to sharply lower the birth rate of Uyghurs in Xinjiang.[44]

No evidence to see here, the UN is just a globalhomo conspiracy or whatever the latest fascist line is.

It's worse - they're not bots, and most of them aren't fooled by some mass CCP campaign. They're just fascists, and will go to any length to simp for fascism.

Noted for future reference. In the online anglosphere, I generally find self-proclaimed leftists almost always land on the side of Palestine over Israel.

You:

state dept: this isn’t a genocide (we still think it’s really bad though)

The source, explicitly:

The cautious conclusions of State Department lawyers do not constitute a judgment that genocide did not occur in Xinjiang

Sorry that English is so difficult for you to parse.

jk, I know you understand, you just find simping for fascism more fun. :)

The UN doesn’t claim there’s a genocide in Xinjiang.

No, they 'just' confirm all the crimes cited as evidence of genocide without confirming intent, obviously this means China isn't committing genocide /s

I see you didn't even read the small excerpt I pulled out; I'll post it again in the vain hope that you might read it this time.

The cautious conclusions of State Department lawyers do not constitute a judgment that genocide did not occur in Xinjiang but reflects the difficulties of proving genocide, which involves the destruction “in whole or in part” of a group of people based on their national, religious, racial, or ethnic identity, in a court of law. It also points to a disconnect between public perception of the crime of genocide and the legal definition in the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which has long been interpreted by State Department lawyers to require intent to bring about the physical and biological destruction of a group.

“Genocide is difficult to prove in court,” said Richard Dicker, an expert on international justice at Human Rights Watch. Even the most horrific of crimes—burning of villages, systematic rape, or the execution of large numbers of civilians—can not be considered genocide unless the perpetrators carry out their crimes “with a very specific intent—the intent, of course, being to destroy in whole or in part a population based on their religious, ethnic, or national background,” he said.

For decades we’ve been hearing about this industrial genocide of Uyghur but their population continues to grow,

Literally the same argument Israeli simps use to claim there's no Palestinian genocide.

You can reject the evidence from multiple sources over the course of almost a decade now over and over again because you want to simp for fascists, but it doesn't change facts.

I mean, yes, but generally you don't find support of Palestinian genocide in leftist groups.

Is the UN a organization that's too Westoid to accept?

Like, if I were engaging with an actual Nazi who was engaging in Holocaust denialism,

You'd do everything you could to legitimize their view, I know. I wouldn't, but that's just me - silly ol' 'liberal' that I am, not believing that fascism is just something to be 'argued down' in the marketplace of ideas. :)