I noticed their apps are high in size compared to other apps, like for example their keyboard app size is 129 MB, which is a giant size compared to other android keyboards.

Grayjay also seems to be kind of giant, compared to bravenewpipe that supports a lot of services while still very low in size.

The only app in my opinion that has kind of reasonable size is their voice recognition, while it looks kind of ugly compared to Transcribro.

Is there is a reason for all of this?

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[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I guess because they store all the required data for voice recognition and other "AI" stuff while other apps use privacy-invasive and low-security cloud services to provide such features.

[–] ModerateImprovement@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think that is the answer because other privacy respecting apps(Open source or offline) have a lower size.

Take for example Typewise keyboard the offline paid version, it comes at 44MB only despite them implementing their own AI stuff and implementing a completely new keyboard layout.

[–] Shayeta@feddit.de 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Different AI models take up different amount of space. The bulk of space for they keyboard is the model. If you wanted better voice recognition accuracy you COULD use a 10GB model.

[–] MHanak@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Also i think the FUTO keyboard has multiple built in models

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

OTOH consider the absolutely mammoth RTranslator which is multiple GB per language.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They don't use cloud services, so stuff is processed and stored locally.

[–] ModerateImprovement@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Other apps store stuff locally also, you can compare for example bravenewtube and grayjay, you will see a weird size difference.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I can't find this 'bravenewtube' app you speak of, but I must admit I am not far from bedtime..

There's a difference between YouTube alternatives and Grayjay. Grayjay connects content creators across numerous platforms under a single app.

Edit: I just woke up and realized I typed 'bravenewtube' instead of bravenewpipe LMFAO. Oopsie, I did say I was tired haha!

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

https://github.com/bravenewpipe/NewPipe

[–] Zwiebel 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Due to restrictive project policy, the NewPipeTeam refuses to add platforms that they find offensive. This fork (BraveNewPipe) will not be as restrictive. As long as the platforms work in the spirit of free speech, they could be integrated.

Nevertheless, platforms that promote pornography or other degrading things will NOT be included here.

lmao

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago

Bet this post is some covert advertising for this probably alt right bullshit, since Louis Rossman just gave a bunch of visibility to the futo organisation.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If it is artificial intelligence based and the data is stored locally then that data can be quite large. My keyboard is well over 100 megabytes just for the data, for the AI alone. I think it's fair to say that it is probably a good thing that it's large because it means that it's on your machine and it's not being processed anywhere else.

[–] ModerateImprovement@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Copying my comment to same answer:

I don't think that is the answer because other privacy respecting apps(Open source and offline) have a lower size.

Take for example Typewise keyboard the offline paid version, it comes at 44MB only despite them implementing their own AI stuff and implementing a completely new keyboard layout.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

My AI keyboard let's you choose how accurate the AI is. The more accurate, the larger the file. I'd say that's all it is. A more accurate model is larger.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 months ago

So it's less than 100mb difference. You could go through both apps and see what files are taking up the extra space.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago

So small differences in the data model can result in massive size differences. Take a look at the different models advance for Piper/whisper for home assistant. There's orders of magnitude of size difference in very minute functionality differences.

[–] lemann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Grayjay app includes an entire development environment for plugins.

No idea why the keyboard app is "large". Could it be for support on obsolete Android devices where they've needed to re-implement missing APIs and features entirely themselves (like Firefox/Fennec and the Share menu)?

They could also be using completely different local AI tooling, or a custom trained model that has a higher space footprint compared to other similar apps. As always the true answer lies in the available code...

Edit: Grayjay's = The Grayjay

[–] Stitch0815 3 points 4 months ago

I don't know

But since they are open source should it not be possible to check where the heavy packages are located?

[–] pop@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

The only app in my opinion that has kind of reasonable size is their voice recognition, while it looks kind of ugly compared to Transcribro.

I think an icon of a microphone for a STT app is much much much better than that UX disaster Transcribo is. lol