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[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 108 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Well seeing as we:

  • Call officers who hide as "undercover agents" but we call them in other countries "secret police" and
  • We have police who hide in unmarked cars
  • Both parties love cops more than its own citizens, increasing funds for cops than any regulation on them. One even has a cop as a VP.
  • Cops aren't required to know the laws they arrest you for
  • "Innocent until proven guilty" is often a farce when you're any form of minority, where people are killed on death row for crimes they never committed
  • Cops are paid more for militarization than teachers and social programs who prevent future criminals
  • Cops can shot anyone for any reason with a rare chance of even being punished for it by leaving to join a different police force
  • The NSA, FBI, and CIA know more of its citizens than neighbors know each other, despite it being illegal.
  • Not even getting into how cops often crack down on citizens' movements and protests, especially those of BIPOC and Queer.

I'm going to go with "Since at least 2001, way longer if you're any form of minority." China learns from the Americans, like Nazi Germany did from our treatment of its citizens.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

White Nationalists will tell you that all this is to protect you from the evil foreigners, and it will magically go away as soon as we've "won".

They'll also tell you the Deep State has been overrun by (((communists))) and you can't trust the government to do anything right. That's why they need supreme executive power to clean the swamp.

Whichever way you turn, the answer to the current moment is always "more bigger deadlier cops".

China learns from the Americans, like Nazi Germany did from our treatment of its citizens.

The Red-Baiting is a big part of what makes our national security state such a cancerous mass. We have to become China to beat China. And we need to believe China is the worst thing we can possibly think of (Nazis), when our modern police/military state has already surpassed 1930s Germany by leaps and bounds.

So long as Americans are convinced that every other foreign country is either a crime ridden hell-hole or an open-air prison (or, paradoxically, both at once), we'll continue to tolerate further erosion of civil liberties in hopes of relieving anxiety that the police state exists to impose on us.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Rethinking the war on drugs would be a serious step to change a lot of this.

They'll let us all die before they ever consider that though.

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 48 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Wtf is even loitering? For some reason it reminds me of Skyrim guards going "No lollygagging". Fucking made up sounding words.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"stand or wait around without apparent purpose"

In other words: please do not exist in this vicinity.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Are you serious? It's illegal to just exist outdoors in the US? I think you're serious but that's just too comical to be real. Enjoying the sunset; straight to jail. Like what?

[–] jorp@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

American freedom is the freedom to oppress people on your property. It's individualist freedom not collectivist freedom

[–] Enkrod 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Land of the free... whoever told you that is your enemy - RATM

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[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is the shit about the US I will never understand.

[–] Flipper 10 points 3 months ago

It's about racism.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 3 months ago

Generally this stuff exists either due to old racist laws. It was illegal to not be working in reconstruction South, and white former slave owners could offer low paying jobs to former slaves. If the former slaves refused, they could be arrested for not having jobs, and due to the exception on prisoners being slaves, they could be enslaved again legally.

Vagrancy and loitering were banned in what's called the "black codes".

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

It's like jaywalking on an empty street or speeding 5 miles over the limit, they don't enforce it unless they want to use the law to harass someone.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It must be broken and thought she was a POC.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

To be fair it’s B&W, color chips costs more.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

B&W is for the police stream. Not enough bandwidth for them and the 15k stalkerware data mining partners of the subcontracted police partner service.

This is theft of autonomy, and fascist authoritarianism. What an embarrassment of a disgusting society. Such products should come with a posted placard of every bureaucrat, CEO, developer, and sponsor of such an atrocity and violation of fundamental human rights. Anyone destroying such a system is a patriot and a hero in my opinion.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

There’s the problem. It’s b&w everyone is part black. Everyone is told to move along.

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[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Funny how that whatever they are yelling at you for isn't even loitering. Give them the finger and keep on doing whatever you are doing.

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 240.35 Loitering

Current as of January 01, 2021 | Updated by FindLaw Staff

A person is guilty of loitering when he:

1. Repealed by L.2010, c. 232, § 1, eff. July 30, 2010.

2. Loiters or remains in a public place for the purpose of gambling with cards, dice or other gambling paraphernalia;  or

3. Repealed by L.2010, c. 232, § 1, eff. July 30, 2010.

4. Being masked or in any manner disguised by unusual or unnatural attire or facial alteration, loiters, remains or congregates in a public place with other persons so masked or disguised, or knowingly permits or aids persons so masked or disguised to congregate in a public place;  except that such conduct is not unlawful when it occurs in connection with a masquerade party or like entertainment if, when such entertainment is held in a city which has promulgated regulations in connection with such affairs, permission is first obtained from the police or other appropriate authorities;  or

5. Loiters or remains in or about school grounds, a college or university building or grounds or a children's overnight camp as defined in section one thousand three hundred ninety-two of the public health law or a summer day camp as defined in section one thousand three hundred ninety-two of the public health law, or loiters, remains in or enters a school bus as defined in section one hundred forty-two of the vehicle and traffic law, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a pupil or student, or any other specific, legitimate reason for being there, and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant the same or loiters or remains in or about such children's overnight camp or summer day camp in violation of conspicuously posted rules or regulations governing entry and use thereof;  or

6. Loiters or remains in any transportation facility, unless specifically authorized to do so, for the purpose of soliciting or engaging in any business, trade or commercial transactions involving the sale of merchandise or services, or for the purpose of entertaining persons by singing, dancing or playing any musical instrument;  or

7. Repealed by L.2010, c. 232, § 1, eff. July 30, 2010.

Loitering is a violation.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you quoting new York laws concerning a DC incident?

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're totally right. Dunno why my brain went there thinking it was NYC. My bad.

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[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So to clarify:

1: N/A

2: Gambling on the street

3: N/A

4: Masking up and hanging out, especially in a group, for potentially nefarious purposes

5: Hanging out in or around a school you have no business being at or in.

6: Selling shit on public transportation or transportation hubs.

With the exception of the mask thing (which should be repealed for health purposes. We should encourage people to mask up when they are sick, COVID or not), that all seems fairly reasonable, and not at all what is happening in the picture. Unless OP is wearing a mask, I suppose.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In general, loitering is hanging out "with intent to commit a crime." If you aren't planning to commit a crime, you aren't loitering.

[–] isthingoneventhis@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

On paper yes, to any cop that feels like hassling you, strong ehh.

[–] match@pawb.social 13 points 3 months ago

How important is the law to the police? Will it matter that what you're doing is legal?

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[–] vocornflakes@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (4 children)

That's a lot of expensive equipment in sledgehammer range.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Super soaker full of paint.

Or my favorite, black trash bag on a stick, because you can fasten the bag around the camera without actually damaging it, if youre concerned about getting caught and sued for damaged

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And then, when the camera is covered, a friend can come by with a sledgehammer. Edit: while you are seen hanging out on some other camera.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Red Faction: Guerilla moment

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You have a long sledgehammer

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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

I've spent a lot of time servicing IT for all kinds of businesses in DC, and this is 100% a CVS owned device. They don't refer to it as Come Visit Satan for no reason.

[–] francisfordpoopola@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Drop me the address... I'll go loiter next time I am in the city.

[–] stardom8048@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

6 Dupont Cir NW, Washington, DC 20036

https://maps.app.goo.gl/sHrnSFwq1C3H6PV98

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Don't see what this has to do with police. CVS put that up to scare people away, just like they put up that sign that clearly didn't work.

[–] catbum@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Policing is not just limited to police. Unfortunately, this is an example of quite literal corporate overlording. Soon they will be one in the same, a manifestation of the military-industrial complex, where corporations happily surveil in support of and in tandem with law enforcement.

As a reformed loiterer, I welcome our new Police, Inc. overlords. (/s)

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[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

All countries are occupied countries. We're all under the occupation of the oligarchy.

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Not to loiter? Is it illegal?

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Just standing around on public property can't be made illegal constitutionally. This doesn't mean that there aren't no loitering laws everywhere, and they are enforced, because it is very unlikely they will be taken through the court system over it.

https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/loitering-laws/

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[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Prison state is a more apt term - after all, that is what borders are there for.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Something else to ignore.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Anyone have any evidence of the security cameras doing this? I can't find any, but I don't have much time to dig.

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

There's security cameras where have speakers to state "Hi, you're being recorded." due to the fact that if a private property wishes to record the public who enter, they must be given notice for consent in my state, as it's a two party consent system. Being on the property with the notice is considered consent.

I don't see why they couldn't make systems that state "You're being watched, do not loiter."

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