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[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yea, academics need to just shut the publication system down. The more they keep pandering to it the more they look like fools.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

It’s chicken/egg or “you first” problem.

You spend years on your work. You probably have loans. Your income is pitiful. And this is the structural thing that gets your name out. Now someone says “hey take a risk, don’t do it and break the system.”

Well…you first 🤷‍♂️ they publish on this garbage because it’s the only way to move up, and these garbage systems continue on because everyone has to participate. Hate the game. Don’t blame those who are by and large forced to participate.

It would require lot of effort from people with clout. It’s a big fight to pick. I am very much in favor of picking that fight, but we need to be a little sympathetic to what that entails.

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There are a couple things we can do:

  • decline to review for the big journals. why give them free labor? Do academic service in other ways.
  • if you're organizing a workshop or conference, put the papers online for free. If you're just participating and not organizing, then suggest they put the papers online for free. Here's an example: https://aclanthology.org/ If that's too time-consuming, use: https://arxiv.org/
[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fully agree but I can tell you about point 1 that there enough gullible scientists in the world that see nothing wrong with the current system.

They will gadly pick up free review when Nature comes knocking, since its "such an honour" for such a reputable paper.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Such a reputable paper that's no doubt accepted dozens of ChatGPT papers by now. Wow, how prestigious!

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Something else we can do: regulate. Like every other corrupt industry in the history of the world, we need the force of law to fix it--and for pretty much all the same reasons. People worked at Triangle Shirtwaist because they had to, not because they thought it was a great place to work.

[–] angrymouse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

100% ppl need stop thinking big changes can be made "by individuals", this kind of stuff needs regulation and state alternatives made by popular pressure or is impossible to break as an average worker dealing with in the private sector.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

applied for a grant last month, now to finalize grant you need to publish things in open access format. (EU country; there's a push for all publicly funded research to be open access, with it being a requirement from year ??? on, not sure when, but soon) there's some special funding set aside just for open access fees, which is still rotten because these leeches still stand to profit. then, if you miss that, then there's an agreement where my uni pays a selection of publishers to let in certain number of articles per year open access, which is basically the same thing but with different source of funding (not from grant, but straight from ministry)

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Funding agencies have huge power here; demanding that research be published in OA journals is perhaps a good start (with limits on $ spent publishing, perhaps).

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

i hear you, but this leaves this massive gaping hole very quickly filled by predatory journals

the better solution would be journals created and maintained by universities or other institutions with national (or international, like from EU) funding

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i think this is less of a meme, and more of a scientifically dystopian fun fact, but sure.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the fact, is in fact, rather fun(ny)

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

When will scientists just self-publish? I mean seriously, nowadays there is nothing between a researcher and publishing their stuff on the web. Only thing would be peer-reviewing, if you want that, but then just organize it without Elsevier. Reviewers get paid jack shit so you can just do a peer-reviewing fediverse instance where only the mods know the people so it's still double-blind.

This system is just to dangle carrots in front of young researchers chasing their PhD

[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because of "impact score" the journal your work gets placed in has a huge impact on future funding. Its a very frustrating process and trying to go around it is like suicide for your lab so it has to be more of a top-down fix because the bottom up is never going to happen.

Thats why everyone uses sci hub. These publishers are terrible companies up there with EA in unpopularity.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It sounds like all it would take to destroy the predatory for-profit publication oligarchs is a majority of the top few hundred scientists, across major disciplines, rejecting it and switching to a completely decentralized peer-2-peer open-source system in protest... The publication companies seem to gate keep, and provide no value. It's like Reddit. The site's essentially worthless. All of the value is generated by the content creators.

[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Succesfully iniating this from the fediverse would be such a massive boost in public visibility and discoursive strength of the project of collectivization of information infrastructure (like lemmy).

Imagine we fluffin freed science from capital and basically all the scientists openly stated how useful this was

[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I can only get so erect, please stop.

[–] anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

oh so this is the kind of stuff that turns on asexual people?

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

That would make them scisexual or politisociosexual I guess.

[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Thank you, this justifies to introduce myself as campaign porn producer from now on

[–] kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

(What I'm trying to say is you have my bow)

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The famously uneditable PDF format.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

In metadata, no less.

[–] tuna@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Imagine they have an internal tool to check if the hash exists in their database, something like

"SELECT user FROM downloads WHERE hash = '" + hash + "';"

You set the pdf hash to be 1'; DROP TABLE books;-- they scan it, and it effectively deletes their entire business lmfaoo.

Another idea might be to duplicate the PDF many times and insert bogus metadata for each. Then submit requests saying that you found an illegal distribution of the PDF. If their process isn't automated it would waste a lot of time on their part to find the culprit Lol

I think it's more interesting to think of how to weaponize their own hash rather than deleting it

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That's using your ass. This is an active threat to society and it demands active countermeasures.

I'd bet they have a SaaS 'partner' who trawls SciHub and other similar sites. I'll try to remember to see if there is any hint of how this is being accomplished over the next few days.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

Elsevier is the reason I donate to Sci-Hub.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's where you print the downloaded PDF to a new PDF. New hash and same content, good luck tracing it back to me fucko.

[–] Syn_Attck@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Unfortunately that wouldn't work as this is information inside the PDF itself so it has nothing to do with the file hash (although that is one way to track.)

Now that this is known, It's not enough to remove metadata from the PDF itself. Each image inside a PDF, for example, can contain metadata. I say this because they're apparently starting a game of whack-a-mole because this won't stop here.

There are multiple ways of removing ALL metadata from a PDF, here are most of them.

It will be slow-ish and probably make the file larger, but if you're sharing a PDF that only you are supposed to have access to, it's worth it. MAT or exiftool should work.

Edit: as spoken about in another comment thread here, there is also pdf/image steganography as a technique they can use.

[–] Zacryon@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 months ago

Okay, got it. Print the PDF, then scan it and save as PDF.

Or get some monks to get a handwritten copy, like the good old times.

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 1 points 2 months ago

I know PDF providers who visibly print the customer's name or number in the header of every page, along with short copyright text. I use qpdf --stream-decompress to make the PDF into human-readable PostScript, and then Python+regex to remove each header text, which stand out a bit from other PDF elements. The script throws an error if more or fewer elements than pages have been removed but that hasn't happened yet. Processed documents sometimes have screwed-up non-ASCII characters in the Table of Contents for some reason but I don't have the originas anymore so IDK if it's my fault. Still, I wouldn't share the PDFs unless in text-only or printed form because of any other steganographic shenanigans in the file. I would absolutely torrent them if I could repurchase them under a new identity and verify that the files are identical.

BTW, has anyone figured out how to embed Python code in PDF? The whitespace always gets reencoded as x-coordinates so copy&pasting it never preserves indentation. No, you can't use the Ogham Space Mark (Unicode's only non-blank character classified as a space) for indentation in Python, I tried.

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