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[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I don't know why people think RCV would be considered difficult, we love ranking shit.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's about preservation of power.

In any solid red or blue location, the party in control will promote any narrative to discredit RCV because it could only weaken their influence in the area.

For example, most people who are progressives vote blue only because the alternative is far worse. But if a heavily blue state were to pass RCV, it might mean gasp that Democrats lose seats to a more progressive party.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

WORST nightmare of liberal fortresses with a significant percentage of alienated progressives such as Detroit, Portland, Austin and all of California!

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We should explain it to voters as "create a buzzfeed listicle of your favourite politicians"

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

RCV: where you create a tier list of all available candidates

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Ballot design.

Some RCV ballot designs are better than others. For example:

Also, as an experience designer who has had the pleasure of sitting in many many user tests, never under estimate how dumb people are. Some people are going to be confused by the new thing because it’s new. Good news is that this goes away after an election or two and most of the public gets used to it.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Great example names BTW! GoGo/Sauce 2028!

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

How dare you rack Dr Cherry Blossom so low. SHE STRIPPED HER WAY THROUGH MED SCHOOL

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah that's an incredibly good point.

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Yup, just gotta build up the movement and educate people so they can pressure the politicians.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Fuck you Betty, Sue is my #1 MySpace friend!

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tier zoo has entered the chat

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I just watched the Turtle list the other day haha

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

And we have fucking computers to do most of the heavy lifting!

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

LOOOOUD NOISES

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And yet here in Alaska there's a concerted effort to eliminate Ranked Choice Voting, I can only assume by people who are upset at the establishment losing some of it's grip.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 month ago

Status gonna quo

[–] Branch_Ranch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Ranked choice is already banned in 10 red states BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'D FUCKIN LOSE!

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

RCV: It's voting, but you get to be more judgemental.

There. Marketing for a sizeable portion of the electorate to get on board with it.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Tier list voting

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry about the caps. It’s the title of the article.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

IT’S OKAY. WE UNDERSTAND.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ahh yes but what was their second choice on those points?

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

well... doesn't matter, ranked choice hit the threshold. ;-)

ranked choice voting will help save whats left of american democracy.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ngl, I struggle with how the votes are tallied and have to think about it for way longer than I should to understand it.

I'm embarrassed to admit that.

If you dive into the theory at all about how ranked choice systems are gamed I think everyone is doomed for a headache.

Don't feel bad, it's infinitely better than what we have broadly, but it demands a lot more of the average voter if you're not voting a party ticket. If you're struggling you're doing it right.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It varies between implementations, here's a rough example for how the concept works (details may differ)

It's important to emphasize that in each step each ballot only counts for one candidate.

First you count 1st choice votes. If there's already a winner here then you're done. Second choices don't matter if a majority already agree on a first choice.

If not (eg. if no candidate has above 50%) then you eliminate the least popular candidates first. Once a candidate has been eliminated, any ballot with the eliminated candidate as 1st gets transferred to the 2nd choice candidate.

Consider the US election - if your first choice is a 3rd party candidate instead of the 2 well known ones, they're probably not getting a lot of votes. Once it's determined your 1st choice can't win and they're eliminated, your 2nd choice on the ballot is counted instead. This stacks on top of the not-eliminated 1st choice votes from the first step.

Why does this matter politically?

Because of say Trump gets 48% 1st choice votes, Biden gets 40% 1st choice and then 12% 2nd choice votes = 52% total and a win, then that's a powerful signal about which alternative candidates can become viable and a powerful method of expressing discontent with the primary candidate despite being willing to vote for "the lesser of two evils". You can express your first preference without giving a bad candidate a bigger chance to win.

Another interesting feature is that it's possible to win a majority of votes being 2nd choice votes, but that's really only likely if there's many candidates and 1 candidate that most finds acceptable but not preferred, because all the ones that are preferred by a few but disliked by most gets disqualified one by one until all those votes has gotten transferred to the broadly acceptable candidate

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

WOOOOO YEAH BABY

[–] Doom4535@lemmy.sdf.org -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Do they say what state or are we supposed to just know this is Virginia?

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Across Virginia and nationwide, voters say they like RCV and want to expand it.

Not the clearest, but it's in there.

[–] Doom4535@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago

Darn, I missed it, about halfway down

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago

In a strange quirk, it was actually every city in the U.S. named Arlington at the same time.

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