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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 168 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (26 children)

Reminder: this is the same Teamster that spoke at the Republican convention, making these comments to Tucker Carlson.

You probably shouldn't take this at face value and assume this was her attitude toward labor in general.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 72 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's bullshit on it's face. Biden told Congress they should pass the PRO Act, Harris echoed that ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

One of the provisions of the PRO Act is to gut right-to-work laws by allowing Unions to collect dues from every employee at a Union shop.

So the guy is just lying about that, of course there's no way for me to know if she wagged her finger in a Teamster's face.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Excuse my ignorance on American doublespeak, but does the "right to work" just mean the "right for companies to employ scabs"?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago

They named it that so it would get confused with similarly named laws that protect the rights of workers.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

right to work laws "protect" workers from unions forcing them to pay dues so: yes.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We could have gotten Right-To-Work off the books?

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

A major union head went on Tucker Carlson's podcast... gross. Harris could have done more to appeal to workers, but this dude can't paint himself as a neutral politically-impartial leader!

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm sure one of a great many statements that aged like milk. The sheer contempt that Democrat politicians have for voters is breathtaking. Maybe some day they'll care about voters the way they very obviously care about corporate donors.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Judging by their performance in the last three presidential elections with absolutely zero course correction, I wouldn't hold my breath.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Maybe some day they’ll care about voters the way they very obviously care about corporate donors.

How are you coming away with that the lesson to learn? The guys that won care even less for voters. The lesson appears to be: "Say whatever you think voters want to hear at that exact moment with no intention of following through for their benefit."

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (16 children)

That's rather the point isn't it? Republicans lie constantly about everything but those lies are about things their voters want. Democrats meanwhile tell their voters that they'll get what Democrats are gracious enough to give them and be happy they're not as bad as the Republicans. In either case neither party is delivering what progressive voters are asking for. Then Democrats wonder why they have voter turnout problems.

People are sick and tired of showing up to vote for the lesser evil and the result being either things only get very slightly worse or much worse depending on who wins. It's particularly hard for people to justify investing that time and effort when they're struggling to just survive day to day and keep a roof over their head and food in their stomachs.

I and many others tried our best this last election to keep Trump out of office but we can all only do so much when the Democrats are working against us every step of the way. We need an actual progressive running on progressive policies out of the Democrats if they want to win an election, because running as diet conservative isn't cutting it anymore.

People gave Bernie a lot of shit for being a populist but you know what? He motivated people. His supporters were excited to get out and vote for him. Unfortunately he was never given the chance and instead we got the same tired "we'll run on Republican policies from two decades ago" Democrats.

Even Obama, the most "progressive" Democrat in at least fifty years, promised socialized healthcare like the rest of the first world countries have but ended up delivering a watered down half assed Republican healthcare plan instead.

So yeah, people are sick and tired of Democrats that only ever seem to be able to successfully deliver things wealthy corporate donors are asking for.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If that's what it takes to win then they should fucking do it, assuming democrats even want to win.

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[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 65 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The statement reflects the actions of the Kamala campaign and the Dem party, so I believe it. Will Democrats ever change, though? Not until the old guard relinquishes their tight grasp on the party and allows it to operate democratically. The old guard are corrupt and they are paid by the same ultra wealthy donors that pay Republicans. The only reason the Tea Party was successful in taking over the Republican party was that there was a huge amount of funding behind them. An equivalent leftist force does not exist because there is no monied interest that would fund an insurgency on the left (except for the masses— think Bernie 2016, 2020, but we would need even more to create a lasting insurgency of equal scale). In light of this, the Democratic party has continuously pursued a "third way" approach to become essentially Republican with some social equality. The Democratic brand stands for nothing anymore.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The old guard are corrupt and they are paid by the same ultra wealthy donors that pay Republicans.

I don't think it's actually possible to win national elections in this country post citizens united without the ultra wealthy donor class. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Bernie's campaign loved pointing out the average donation was $27. The issue in 2016 was media coverage for him that the Dems knowingly sabotaged iirc.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Term and age limits for all elected politicians serving all levels. Two terms and 65 is the maximum age to enter the election. In addition, get rid of the Electoral College.

The union members who voted for Putin's Sock Puppet do not realize the damage they are going inflict on the US blue-collar sector.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

America's fate is sealed, the country we've known, flaws and all is done. Before it was an Oligarchy pretending to be a Democratic Republic, Now its just going to stop pretending, America's going to resemble Russia in the 90s for a bit as the country gets carved up by corporate interests and gangsters in suits

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Term limits mean the only people left in washing that understand the system are lobbyists and consultants. As for age, there should be twice annual fitness tests after the age of 65. There are some geezers that are still very capable mentally.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

California has term limits for state officials. It has worked out exactly as @demizerone@lemmy.world has said. It's just another stupid quick fix that actually makes things worse. You get a revolving door where elected officials are always looking for the next place to jump, and it disproportionately empowers the party officials who can offer those steps up the ladder. You love the DNC? That's how you get even more of a dead hand in control of elected officials.

But as for fitness tests, those can be too easily gamed, and whoever administers the tests will now have extreme political power with no responsibility. So that's as bad an idea as the literacy tests for voting in the US south used to be, and for the same reasons: selective enforcement and corrupt application of the rules.

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[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems like the Teamsters would have been better running mates than a fucking Cheney

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don’t worry, next election they can get Hitler’s grandson or Putins niece to help them campaign. That should get the average everyday person to come out and vote for them! Everyone loves relatives of super powerful war criminals, right?

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The silver lining of 2024 is watching Kamala's entire political career implode from her own hubris. She's now resigned to HRC hot-potato status that only further polarizes the Dem base.

If the Dems had any sense they'd be distancing themselves from her entire campaign, indefinitely.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The silver lining of 2024 is watching Kamala's entire political career implode from her own hubris

That was the silver lining on her FIRST presidential run, but the DNC didn't let it happen then and probably won't now.

A woman of color representing several different groups of people and who will pretend to be progressive sometimes but always change her mind into whatever the donor-determined party line is?

She's catnip to a Dem leadership desperately trying to compensate for not caring about the working class by pretending that optics equal substance 😮‍💨

[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 7 points 1 week ago

That about sums it up

[–] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the democrats have no sense, which is why they have ghouls like hillary clinton continually floating around in the background even after she lost against a clown and everything she touches turns to shit.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They have sense- sense to understand that they don't need to win. With the GOP as a boogeyman, they know that even more donations will come in, and they don't actually have to govern, or produce any kind of effective legislation. It's why even when the Dems control the majority of the House, nothing gets done, and why there are always just enough Dems willing to cross to Republican positions to defeat any real progress.

They're just Controlled Opposition at this point, and that probably started in the 90s with Clinton and sucking the Corporate teat with gusto. Even now, we have crones like Pelosi at 84 fucking years old who refuse to do anything other than punch downward at her own party members. The entire party needs to be scrapped.

[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I actually heard she's aiming for a governor spot.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Specifically in how we chose a candidate after Biden stepped down.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which is too say, how we didn't choose...

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[–] AriesAspect@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Unless it's aoc or bernies sanders. I'm not voting blue ever again. Actually crazy they** lost to orange, again

[–] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the next dem candidate doesnt run as an anti-establishment candidate, and call out the party leaders that have done such a terrible job, they will lose again and again and again etc.

For one thing someone eventually has to admit that Bill Clinton is a creep who should not be praised anymore. The fact that the Kamala campaign used him as a surrogate in 2024 is delusional

[–] AriesAspect@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Everything about her campaign was delusional 🙄

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