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[–] gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 170 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Meanwhile Google search results:

  • AI summary
  • 2x "sponsored" result
  • AI copy of Stackoverflow
  • AI copy of Geeks4Geeks
  • Geeks4Geeks (with AI article)
  • the thing you actually searched for
  • AI copy of AI copy of stackoverflow
[–] rescue_toaster@lemm.ee 84 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Should we put bets on how long until chatgpt responds to anything with:

Great question, before i give you a response, let me show you this great video for a new product you'll definitely want to check out!

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 36 points 4 days ago

"Great question, before i give you a response, let me introduce you to raid shadow legends!"

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Nah, it'll be more subtle than that. Just like Brawno is full of the electrolytes plants crave, responses will be full of subtle product and brand references marketers crave. And A/B studies performed at massive scales in real-time on unwitting users and evaluated with other AIs will help them zero in on the most effective way to pepper those in for each personality type it can differentiate.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 33 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Google search is literally fucking dogshit and the worst it has EVER been. I'm starting to think fucking duckduckgo (relies on Bing) gives better results at this point.

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I have been using Duck for a few years now and I honestly prefer it to Google at this point. I'll sometimes switch to Google if I don't find anything on Duck, but that happens once every three or four months, if that.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I only go to the googs for maps.

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[–] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Ive been using only duckduck for years now. If I don’t find something there, I dont need it.

[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm in sciences and the AI overview gives wrong answers ALL THE TIME. If students or god forbid professionals rely on it thats bad news.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We have new feature, use it!

No, its broken and stupid, I prefer old feature.

... Fine!

breaks old feature even harder

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 56 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Ugh. Don’t get me started.

Most people don’t understand that the only thing it does is ‘put words together that usually go together’. It doesn’t know if something is right or wrong, just if it ‘sounds right’.

Now, if you throw in enough data, it’ll kinda sorta make sense with what it writes. But as soon as you try to verify the things it writes, it falls apart.

I once asked it to write a small article with a bit of history about my city and five interesting things to visit. In the history bit, it confused two people with similar names who lived 200 years apart. In the ‘things to visit’, it listed two museums by name that are hundreds of miles away. It invented another museum that does not exist. It also happily tells you to visit our Olympic stadium. While we do have a stadium, I can assure you we never hosted the Olympics. I’d remember that, as i’m older than said stadium.

The scary bit is: what it wrote was lovely. If you read it, you’d want to visit for sure. You’d have no clue that it was wholly wrong, because it sounds so confident.

AI has its uses. I’ve used it to rewrite a text that I already had and it does fine with tasks like that. Because you give it the correct info to work with.

Use the tool appropriately and it’s handy. Use it inappropriately and it’s a fucking menace to society.

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I know this is off topic, but every time i see you comment of a thread all i can see is the pepsi logo (i use the sync app for reference)

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You know, just for you: I just changed it to the Coca Cola santa :D

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Spreading the holly day spirit

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[–] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 days ago

Voyager doesn't show user PFPs at all. :/

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I gave it a math problem to illustrate this and it got it wrong

If it can’t do that imagine adding nuance

[–] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, math is not really a language problem, so it's understandable LLMs struggle with it more.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But it means it’s not “thinking” as the public perceives ai

[–] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hmm, yeah, AI never really did think. I can't argue with that.

It's really strange now if I mentally zoom out a bit, that we have machines that are better at languange based reasoning than logic based (like math or coding).

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[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Wait, when did you do this? I just tried this for my town and researched each aspect to confirm myself. It was all correct. It talked about the natives that once lived here, how the land was taken by Mexico, then granted to some dude in the 1800s. The local attractions were spot on and things I've never heard of. I'm...I'm actually shocked and I just learned a bunch of actual history I had no idea of in my town 🤯

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I did that test late last year, and repeated it with another town this summer to see if it had improved. Granted, it made less mistakes - but still very annoying ones. Like placing a tourist info at a completely incorrect, non-existent address.

I assume your result also depends a bit on what town you try. I doubt it has really been trained with information pertaining to a city of 160.000 inhabitants in the Netherlands. It should do better with the US I’d imagine.

The problem is it doesn’t tell you it has knowledge gaps like that. Instead, it chooses to be confidently incorrect.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

ChatGPT is a tool under development and it will definitely improve in the long term. There is no reason to shit on it like that.

Instead, focus on the real problems: AI not being open-source, AI being under the control of a few monopolies, and there being little to none regulations that ensure it develops in a healthy direction.

[–] SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

AI is pretty over-rated but the Anti-AI forces way overblow the problems associated with AI.

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 33 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Did you chatgpt this title?

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

"Infinitively" sounds like it could be a music album for a techno band.

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[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And then google to confirm the gpt answer isn't total nonsense

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I've had people tell me "Of course, I'll verify the info if it's important", which implies that if the question isn't important, they'll just accept whatever ChatGPT gives them. They don't care whether the answer is correct or not; they just want an answer.

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[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

GPTs natural language processing is extremely helpful for simple questions that have historically been difficult to Google because they aren't a concise concept.

The type of thing that is easy to ask but hard to create a search query for like tip of my tongue questions.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Google used to be amazing at this. You could literally search "who dat guy dat paint dem melty clocks" and get the right answer immediately.

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[–] SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I wonder where people can go. Wikipedia maybe. ChatGPT is better than google for answering most questions where getting the answer wrong won't have catastrophic consequences. It is also a good place to get started in researching something. Unfortunately, most people don't know how to assess the potential problems. Those people will also have trouble if they try googling the answer, as they will choose some biased information source if it's a controversial topic, usually picking a source that matches their leaning. There aren't too many great sources of information on the internet anymore, it's all tainted by partisans or locked behind pay-walls. Even if you could get a free source for studies, many are weighted to favor whatever result the researcher wanted. It's a pretty bleak world out there for good information.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Last night, we tried to use chatGPT to identify a book that my wife remembers from her childhood.

It didn’t find the book, but instead gave us a title for a theoretical book that could be written that would match her description.

[–] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

At least it said if it exists, instead of telling you when it was written (hallucinating)

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Maybe it’s trying to motivate me to become a writer.

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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Both suck now.

I have to say, look it up online and verify your sources.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How long until ChatGPT starts responding "It's been generally agreed that the answer to your question is to just ask ChatGPT"?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

I'm somewhat surprised that ChatGPT has never replied with "just Google it, bruh!" considering how often that answer appears in its data set.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 days ago

I say, "Just search it." Not interested in being free advertising for Google.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

just call it cgpt for short

Computer Generated Partial Truths

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have they? Don't think I've heard that once and I work with people who use chat gpt themselves

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[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is entirely Google's fault.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Google intentionally made search worse, but even if they want to make it better again, there's very little they can do. The web itself is extremely low signal:noise, and it's almost impossible to write an algorithm that lets the signal shine through (while also giving any search results back)

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[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Reject proprietary LLMs, tell people to "just llama it"

[–] sus@programming.dev 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Acters@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Top is proprietary llms vs bottom self hosted llms. Bothe end with you getting smacked in the face but one looks far cooler or smarter to do, while the other one is streamlined web app that gets you there in one step.

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[–] cmder@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Just duck it bro. (Add !chat to your query or use ai assistant in results)

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