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“Instead of taking responsibility for peace and security in the world as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, China is opposing our core European interests with its economic and weapons aid to Russia,” German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock said in an emailed statement before departing Berlin airport on Sunday for her two-day visit to Beijing.

Vladimir “Putin’s brutal war of aggression against Ukraine is a direct threat to our peace. I will also speak in Beijing about the fact that we cannot simply ignore this in our relations with China.”

The European Union is proposing to sanction several Chinese firms that it claims helped Russian companies develop attack drones that were deployed against Ukraine. Baerbock will meet her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi in Beijing to address this issue, her spokesman said. Germany’s top diplomat will also discuss the humanitarian situation in China, as well as EU tariffs against Chinese electric vehicles that were introduced in October.

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[–] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 2 days ago (3 children)

PSA: election season has begun in Germany. The tone in the comments, and also fully fabricated "news stories" (not meaning this one), have increased dramatically.

The influence campaign has begun. Stay critical people.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm still voting the Greens, they're the least terrible party

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm 12 points 2 days ago

It really is that simple. Kinda sad, but also kinda nice not having to bother wrecking my brain on who to vote for.

[–] Saleh -1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Which goes to show how far Germany has fallen politically. The Left party split into an irrelevant part and a pro-Putin hard on immigration part (BSW). the Greens moved towards anti immigrant racism, lackluster climate protection and support for wanted war criminals. The SPD became the party of high finance tax robbers, anti immigrant racism and austerity. And i don't want to get started on the right side of politics somewhere between fascists and borderline fascists.

[–] SomeOneWithA_PC 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Greens moved towards anti immigrant racism, lackluster climate protection and support for wanted war criminals.

No they didn't. They are the once that pushed the most forward while still being reasonable and open for compromise. They are the biggest/strongest reason that there is a move towards climate protection and they criticized war criminals all the time.

The more bullshit i hear against Greens the stronger i know a vote for the greens is the right thing to do.

[–] federalreverse 1 points 8 hours ago

I mean ... I really wish it were different but almost the entire Greens group in Bundestag voted in favor of the "Security Package" only a month ago, despite it introducing more social insecurity for migrants. Of course, the goal was saving the coalition — but they did so voting by in favor of a law that (pending court decisions) contains most likely unconstitutional/EU-incompatible sections to do so. And the coalition then failed less than a month after that.

Of course, large parts of the party base don't agree, and the last party conference showed that.

[–] Melchior 8 points 2 days ago

And when was it better? The Left party was not really more radical left leaning then the Greens, when they actually were in government. The Greens approved the hollowing out of the welfare state with the SPD, which btw is currently less racist then under Schmidt.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Left was always just the leftovers of SED

[–] Saleh 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That is false. The left in Western Germany cannot be a leftover from the SED. There was no SED in Western Germany. There is some personal continuity in former Eastern Germany, whose influence got less over time. By this logic the CDU, CSU, FDP and to some extent SPD could also be considered leftovers of the NSDAP.

[–] Quittenbrot 3 points 2 days ago

I think the poster meant the party the Left.

There was no SED in Western Germany.

While technically no proper part of Western Germany, you still might want to check out this.

By this logic the CDU, CSU, FDP and to some extent SPD could also be considered leftovers of the NSDAP.

This is something that you can find in discussions on here.

[–] jenesaisquoi 2 points 1 day ago

The left the party, not the left the political spectrum.

[–] jagermo 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are right, however I don't have a feeling the Baerbock has changed her demeanor, she was pretty outspoken the whole time - at least compared to the foreign ministers before her.

But yes, a lot of politicians will suddenly simulate a spine for a few weeks.

[–] SomeOneWithA_PC 5 points 2 days ago

She is pretty good and you can clearly see that she is working differently and more in the right direction than anyone before.

[–] DmMacniel 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

isn't it awesome that those mis- and de-information campaigns can get away with it scotch free? That foreign powers can influence sovereign elections willy nilly?

its so fricking disgusting and sad.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yet another externality of the neoliberal system. Who knew free flow of capital can also flow to individuals in or running for office.

[–] 0x815 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China Is Studying Russia’s Sanctions Evasion to Prepare for Taiwan Conflict -- (Archived link)

China has been supporting Russia’s economy since the start of the Ukraine war by buying its oil while supplying it with everything from microelectronics to washing machines.

Meanwhile, Beijing has been getting its own strategic benefit: a real-world case study in how to circumvent Western sanctions.

An interagency group, set up by China in the months following the full-scale invasion, has studied the impact of sanctions and produced reports regularly for the country’s leadership, according to people familiar with the matter. The goal is to draw lessons about how to mitigate them, particularly in case a conflict over Taiwan prompts the U.S. and its allies to impose similar penalties on China, the people said.

As part of the effort, Chinese officials periodically visit Moscow to meet with the Russian Central Bank, the Finance Ministry and other agencies involved in countering sanctions, the people said.

The Chinese study effort, which hasn’t previously been reported, is emblematic of the new age of economic warfare unleashed by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, where the lines between economic policy and geopolitical strategy are increasingly blurred. That trend is only likely to be amplified by Donald Trump’s second presidential term, where he plans to turbocharge the use of tariffs as a tool for negotiation and coercion.

[–] Quittenbrot 3 points 2 days ago

Seems a bit off to study something in order to draw lessons that is highly influenced by the own behaviour.

Sure, if there were a second China that would fill the role China is currently playing in easing the effect of the sanctions, they should be alright. But who should that be?