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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22940159

Bernie Sanders caused a stir last week, when the independent senator from Vermont and two-time contender for the Democratic presidential nomination sent a post-election email to his progressive supporters across the country. In it, he argued that the Democrats suffered politically in 2024 at least in part because they ran a campaign that focused on “protecting the status quo and tinkering around the edges.”

In contrast, said Sanders, “Trump and the Republicans campaigned on change and on smashing the existing order.” Yes, he explained, “the ‘change’ that Republicans will bring about will make a bad situation worse, and a society of gross inequality even more unequal, more unjust and more bigoted.”

Despite that the reality of the threat they posed, Trump and the Republicans still won a narrow popular-vote victory for the presidency, along with control of the US House. That result has inspired an intense debate over the future direction not just of the Democratic Party but of the country. And the senator from Vermont is in the thick of it.

In his email, Sanders, a member of the Senate Democratic Caucus who campaigned in states across the country this fall for Vice President Kamala Harris and the Democratic ticket, asked a blunt question: “Will the Democratic leadership learn the lessons of their defeat and create a party that stands with the working class and is prepared to take on the enormously powerful special interests that dominate our economy, our media and our political life?”

His answer: “Highly unlikely. They are much too wedded to the billionaires and corporate interests that fund their campaigns.”

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Good. The Democrats screwed Sanders over twice, and both times, he took it graciously and stood with them against Trump. Now that they have proved completely and utterly incapable of fighting the rise of fascism, there's no need to pull punches or play nice. There's no point in supporting the lesser of two evils if it is completely incapable of opposing the greater evil.

The Democratic Party is the political equivalent of a bloated whale carcass festering in the hot sun. Maybe if we stripped away all its old, rotting fat, we might find some use for its bones, but otherwise, it serves no purpose. Anyone telling you how it's going to swim again is either delusional or lying.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And now we sit back and watch everyone in this thread who shat on 3rd party for "wasting votes" throwing around stupid takes like:

  • Erm RCV will prevent this from being viable, we should just try to fix the Democrat party instead
  • Working class people don't have the time and money to make a grassroots movement. Clearly we need PAC money to win because that worked so well for Kamala and Clinton
  • PAC money is superior to actual constituents and voters
  • 4 years isn't enough for a new party to work, we need to vote Democrat first to kick the Republicans out before we do anything else
  • 3rd party would only affect the Democrats and split them up
[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 hours ago

Also the most common one lately

  • There's not going to be a 2028 election so why bother doing anything
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The senator says in this exclusive interview that challengers to status quo politics can run in Democratic primaries or as independents.

Terminally online leftists: "BERNIE IS SAYING NEVER VOTE FOR OR COOPERATE WITH THE DEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN SAYING, VINDICATION"

Bernie's right, naturally. Change comes from the bottom up, from people volunteering to make a difference.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

We need to pay politicians MORE money. Everyone is like, no they should be paid $3.50/year cause they don't do shit, but if you have to support yourself, own a second house in the capital city, and pay a bunch of people to do the initial campaigning (signature gathering to get on the ballot, set up the first rounds of fundraising); WHO can do that? Only rich people. Working-Class people cannot afford to become candidates.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Also, the house and senate should be way bigger that are now.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago

House maybe. Senate represents the states, not the people. They don't need more people. 2 per state is fine to represent the states interests. Give more power to the house instead of growing the Senate.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Pay them more, and also make it illegal for them to own any stocks, or accept any gifts of any kind.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Christmas is canceled.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 9 points 14 hours ago

I literally know someone who's not running for a state office because even with the compensation he can't afford the expenses of actually being in office.

[–] dfecht@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like we should absolutely be providing congressional dormitories, at a minimum.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 12 hours ago

is is the same shit that’s always happened thou

The system is designed to keep the poor, middle and even lower upper class out. When one of them gets rich enough to run, and can't be bought out by one side or another cough cough stein cough the electoral system keeps them safely out of power. The system is rigged.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago

Finally someone daring to say what everyone on Lemmy hates

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 8 points 16 hours ago

We need working class candidates working outside of the right wing oligarchy. As a party Republicans and Democrats need to die off.

[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 22 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

I'm all for it but the problem is that working class people are too busy working. Maybe they can set up a PAC that gives scholarships to would-be politicians so they can challenge these douchebags and still pay their bills.

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[–] Marleyinoc@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

We can't do that since the rich have bought how democracy works. This is the same shit that's always happened though. They'll keep us just happy enough to keep their heads.

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