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Marvel calls for more reshoots on ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ after failed test screening (www.worldofreel.com)
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It’s only a few months away, but Marvel isn’t done with their endless tinkering on “Captain America: Brave New World.”

Yes, scooper Daniel Richtman (via CBM) is reporting that a third round of test screenings for the film recently took place, and once again the reaction wasn’t what Marvel had hoped for. More changes are being done on the film.

It’s not clear how extensive this new additional photography is, and whether “director” Julius Onah is present, but there’s gotta be an end to all of this, right? The film gets released a little over two months from now.

Recently, a rep close to the ‘Brave New World’ production wrote to me, and described the additional photography as “standard in the business, and specially on large films requiring pick up.”

This is the third round of reshoots on ‘Brave New World.’ Earlier in the year, Marvel got to see a rough cut of the film, but felt the action scenes “were not big or satisfying enough.” A poorly rated test-screening didn’t help. Word was that three major action sequences were being reshot from scratch.

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[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 79 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You know, maybe if you prioritized getting a really good script before shooting the movie, you wouldn't have to keep reworking the thing. Scripts are cheap, it costs practically nothing to just keep working on them until you have something really smart and creative.

Or you could slap something together based on the studio roadmap and notes from marketing, because it's all just a placeholder and half of it will be replaced in post production when they decide what they want the movie to actually be. Why pay a good writer or two when you can work an entire vfx studio half to death trying to crunch their way through to the release date?

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 13 points 22 hours ago

Disney adapts so many movies from comic book stories, why don't they have the cartoonists and artists behind the original stories write the screenplays?

Not to say I'd be happy to see the modern Sam Wilson comics adapted for the screen but at least it'd probably be better than what they're working with right now.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

It's Marvel Fatigue.

Not everything needs to be 1. about the end of the world 2. nonstop action packed and 3. literally everyone has rapid-fire quips locked and loaded.

Also, if it's running long like the Marvel flicks have been running, it's attention span fatigue as well.

Reshoots won't help, people will just turn to other movies and other media.

EDIT: Also ancient ass Harrison Ford as Red Hulk is just reaching. Motherfucker almost died while shooting one of the more recent Star Wars flicks. Guy can barely move, but sure, he becomes Red Hulk. They needed someone who isn't genuinely a crotchety fucking old man. Old, but not that god damned old.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah but Disney needs that ROI so they're going to keep pumping out the slop as long as enough piggies eat it

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

Yeah but Disney needs that ROI

Haven't their returns on these films been flagging. Nobody is getting the kind of money that Endgame brought in, except maybe Deadpool and that hardly counts.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if he ends up an animated character for 90% of the screen time.

It’s probally why he agreed to the paycheck.

He’s good on the AppleTV show Shrinking btw.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Apple TV has produced some bangers, it's just too bad nobody's watching them because most people don't have Apple TV.

I'd been thinking about checking that show out anyway, thanks for the suggestion.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Apple TV has produced some bangers, it’s just too bad nobody’s watching them because most people don’t have Apple TV.

I pirate crazy amounts of Apple TV content. Almost feel like I should cancel Netflix and make the switch, but there's just enough good new anime coming out to drag my heels.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 3 points 21 hours ago

I do plan on buying their Blu-Rays as my budget allows since they're releasing Blu-Rays for the shows I want to see the most. It's nice that they offer that alternative for people without subscriptions.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Something tells me that a movie with a character that represents the "American spirit" won't be super popular right now, no matter what the actual subject matter is.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

People don't care about politics so much as to boycott a good movie because they aren't feeling the "American spirit"

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno. From what I've seen, comic movie fans can be pretty progressive. I could see them feeling uncomfortable with the idea of Captain America right now.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 5 points 20 hours ago

They can be, sure, but I doubt most of them are. And of course there's the comic book movie fan, and then there's the general moviegoing audience, which is a likely a lot larger.

And I don't see the progressive case against this movie along political lines. We're getting a black Captain America suiting up for the first time to fight an (ostensibly) evil white president, after all, plus the canonical removal of a Jewish agent's heritage. A likely plot point of this film will be the mistreatment of black people in decades past at the hands on the American military. If anything I'd expect angry neckbearded wokespotters to boycott this movie, but that audience is so small that their response to this movie will be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

[–] TOModera@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Looked up the director, and can't say I have seen anything beyond Cloverfield Paradox, which didn't wow me. So maybe hiring someone who didn't really do any work for 4 years didn't make an interesting movie? This whole project seems like someone hated Falcon and Winter Soldier and vowed to make it so terrible that no one will ever watch it again.

It seemed like an easy bunt of a movie: Make a 90s political thriller (like they did with Winter Soldier) and call it a day. Yet here we are, a lackluster release. Just scrap it for taxes.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

One of the problems Disney has is that they want total control over their movies so they only hire directors who will churn out product and not push back.

Those kind of directors seldom make good movies.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They still hire some solid directors and then end up with a movie where the best parts are the director's vision and the worst parts are those that he execs stuffed in, like most movies.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's kind of what I'm saying. Any director working for them has to be OK with the studio taking their movie and fucking around with it, they don't get to kick up a fuss.

That automatically excludes a whole bunch of really talented directors who actually might make something worth watching if the studio wasn't so meddlesome.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago

Which all so sad since the movie that started it all was completely left alone and up to the director.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

so they only hire directors who will churn out product and not push back.

Taiki Waititi? Sam Raimi? James Gunn?

I mean I get what you're going for, but I would say that they've given the reign to some directors who are definitely allowed a little bit of freedom (in Waititi's case probably too much), and whose films outside of Disney are generally well regarded and are not considered directors who "churn out product."

As David Cross proved with the Alvin and the Chipmunks movie after making fun of Patton Oswalt for being in Ratatouille: everybody needs a big paycheck once in a while.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Taiki Waititi? Sam Raimi? James Gunn?

They get more slack. But you can practically see the moment the Disney executive walks into the room, in Dr Strange 2, and starts making decisions over Raimi's head.

Waititi figured out how to go with the flow and still churn good stuff in Love and Thunder. But so much of what he did was a deliberate subversion of Disney tropes, it's like he hoodwinked the producers.

On the flip side, his series "Reservation Dogs" feels like something Disney would have put out thirty years ago, but has completely forgotten how to do anymore.

And because I'm in the mood to fight, I'm going to say Guardians (particularly 3) is highly overrated.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 12 hours ago

Big ups for Reservation Dogs, agreed. I actually also agree about the Guardians movies being overrated, but they're still fun little romps. Gunn's most subversive days are long past.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

in Waititi's case probably too much

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

Oh, I absolutely do not begrudge anyone getting a paycheck, we all need to eat.

I don't think any of the directors you mentioned would push back against studio interference though. There are directors who will trade control for a paycheck and there are ones who won't. The ones who won't often make more interesting movies.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 3 points 20 hours ago

Looked up the director, and can’t say I have seen anything beyond Cloverfield Paradox

That's because there's only one other film since. He might have been working on thus since, I suppose, but what I don't get is how anyone saw the mediocre Cloverfield Paradox and thought "that's our guy!" However, I suppose that's why they call him the "director" in the article as he's just the frontman.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Need bigger explosions.

Need more CGI.

Need an IMAX sized Robert Downey Jr cameo where his face just fills the screen and says "So THAT just happened."

We're losing touch with our Marvel roots, people.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 5 points 20 hours ago

We'll end up with 3 hours of a CGI IMAX sized RDJ head exploding and like it.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Let's be real square, Disney.

The only way I'm watching this shit is if you bomb it yourself and toss Peter Griffin or Deadpool into it and purposefully destroy it or make fun of it for fun.

Otherwise, man, this audience member is bored, bro.

[–] batdad90@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago

“Mom can we have Captain America?”

“No, we have Captain America at home.”

Captain America at home: …