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Stephen Moore, a senior economic adviser to US president-elect Donald Trump, urged the UK to adopt the US “free enterprise” model over Europe’s “more socialist” system, suggesting it would enhance the Trump administration’s “willingness” to pursue a UK-US trade deal.

Moore also defended US agricultural practices and Trump’s proposed 10% blanket import tariff, noting possible exemptions for allies like the UK.

UK leaders, including Keir Starmer, face pressure to balance trade ties with both the EU and US, with figures like Peter Mandelson advocating dual trade agreements amid Brexit challenges.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 115 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pick socialism, dont fall for it. Dont become corporate property. Dont let them own the world.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 week ago

Socialism isn't even on offer these days. What Republicans consider socialist stretches all the way from communism to conservatism.

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 89 points 1 week ago (5 children)

TIL I live in socialist EU.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

If you consider that European conservative parties are on the same political spectrum range as the US Democrats, and the US Republicans are basically the European neo-Nazis, this makes Americans see normal European social-Democratic parties as "communists".

The American political spectrum has shifted to the right in ways that prepared the ground for Trumps coming Machtergreifung.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Article 3 (3) TEU:

The Union shall establish an internal market. It shall work for the sustainable development of Europe based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment. It shall promote scientific and technological advance.

Emphasis mine. In a nutshell a social market economy is a Realpolitik compromise between capitalism and market socialism, where private ownership of the means of production is tolerated but said ownership doesn't entail complete power over it, through e.g. co-determination laws.

To make this more concrete, and maybe blow some Yank's mind: Volkswagen's employees elect 50% - 1 seats on the board. Together with shares held by Lower Saxony (usually run by a socdem government) they run the place, no matter how many shares the Porsche/Piëch clan and the Saudis have. It's why VW itself worked towards unionising its own plant in Chattanooga, to the bewilderment of many. Sadly can't unionise the plants in China the CCP hates it when workers have a say.

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ironic for China to not like unions.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Tankies gonna tank.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 week ago

OMG they cat even communist properly.

[–] Twitches@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago
[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Must be a different EU

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

TIL I'm emigrating to socialist EU.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, the UK isn't in the EU. Unless I'm misremembering your posts

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Remember how great Brexit was, they say.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes UK is an economic powerhouse now thanks Brexit

[–] lemmus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Britannia rules the waves.

[–] Saleh 49 points 1 week ago

I strongly recommend the UK focus on the US as a trading partner. It is obviously more sensible to ship your imports and exports to and from a market some 5000 km away, than to the market just 50 km away. Clearly your population will love fruits being either 2 weeks old at least or flown in. That fits the english taste best anyways.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Americans talking about socialism is like teenagers talking about sex

Zero clue

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s time for another episode of “Everything I Don’t Like Is Socialism” with Donnie Temper Tantrum!

Poor can work at the Mar-a-Lago for food or die in a gutter. That's the American way.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 38 points 1 week ago

Oh boy, he's going after the NHS like he tried a couple of years ago. Brits need to fight this and don't fall for our predatory private healthcare system that prioritizes money over human lives.

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The US seems perfectly happy with socialism … for its corporate sector

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 week ago

Privatised profits, socialised losses.

[–] Rice_Daddy@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

I don't mind working with the US even with Trump leading, but the EU is clearly a natural partner. They're right at our doorstep.

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Uh, Socialism please.

"Well we're all out of Socialism. We only had three bits and we didn't expect such a rush. So whaddaya want?"

What, so my choice is "or US free enterprise"?

[–] plzExplainNdetail@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh ..well.. then I'll have the chicken.

[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 4 points 1 week ago

"Tastes of human sir. Would you like a white wine?"

[–] filister@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What is more worrying is what Trump thinks of the EU. This guy is a threat to democracy and international law.

And the worst is that much of the democratic party is shifting more to the right in their pursuit of voters.

This world is completely screwed with politicians like Trump in power.

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah, of the world's leaders vast majority of them are dictators or wannabe dictators. Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping, Modi, Netanyahu, Erdoğan, Orban and the list goes on.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

And the worst is that much of the democratic party is shifting more to the right in their pursuit of voters.

In there pursuit of being a more effective controlled opposition. Voters didn’t ask for this. Harris ran a conservative campaign and loss on that. Don’t let the democrats blame the left for their loss.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago

"US economic model."

It's capitalism. Unfettered capitalism.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Trumps knowledge of the EU is solely what Farage tells him. Or should I say, whispers to him after rubbing his belly.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

"C'mon, guys, be fascist like us!"

[–] a9249@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So either embrace corporatism or be branded a commie he means?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago

I'll take the branding.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

Oh no... he's off to try and sell bleach washed chicken again to the brits.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Ohh... the US economy where people need 3 jobs to afford groceries and where health insurance only covers expenses if you aren't too sick?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 week ago

Cancers metastasize.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They’ll choose Trumpism. Starmer inherited the legacy of the Brexit referendum, and if he’s seen as veering towards the European approach, the oligarch-owned press will have his guts for garters and Nigel Farage in No. 10. As such, he’ll have no choice but to make a speech acknowledging this and rejecting the European approach in principle.

[–] Rice_Daddy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I really really hope you're wrong.

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As an EU-citizen, I feel like this is a UK decision and not a US decision.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You remember what the brits chose the last time they had the opportunity to do so?

[–] dlatch@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

I was going to say: "no way they'd be that stupid again", but then again the US just elected Trump for a second time so who knows

[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We may not like the result, but it proofed a point for the EU and the UK: The EU is a voluntary federation unlike the US and direct democracy is a thing in the UK sometimes (still largely symbolic though).

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

I'm not commenting if I liked it or not. I don't have a horse in that race, then or now. That it was a disastrous chain of events with dire consequences, that is undeniable.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Mob of bullies. These guys came into power last time telling people, "we won't tell you how to live, and you won't tell us how to live." Look at em now. LOL

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

I’m sure they’re hanging on his every word.

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