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Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.

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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] corbin@awful.systems 14 points 4 days ago

I'm imagining no fewer than three fictional versions of Eris/Discord laughing at this orange-site fool:

Meanwhile I cannot turn my living room LED lights on or off because I control them through discord.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago

Ok, so, some typical clueless VC mixed up atlas and sisyphus, which absolutely tracks. A VC thinks they are performing the all-important task of holding up the universe, when really they are just pushing a boulder up a hill and letting it fall down again.

VCs really think they are prometheus bringing fire to man, when really they are the eagle eating prometheus’s ever regrowing liver, where prometheus is the working class and the liver is collective wellbeing.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

New superpredictor lore dropped on r/mapporn. If you believe in prediction markets and meet someone from Blaine MT or Essec NY, you have to do whatever they say because they are smarter and better at predicting than you.

I mean, up until this year they would both have been beat by Clallum County, WA, which had matched the National winner since Gerald Ford. So way to identify the best of the losers I guess?

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 15 points 5 days ago

Breaking news: "AI-generated poetry is indistinguishable from human-written poetry and is rated more favorably"!

Or, you know, not.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Wired tried to put out a defence of tech and the result is incoherent drivel. See for yourself.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 7 points 4 days ago

If you gotta conclude with, "tee hee! simulation theory!" you're not just cooked... you're seared and roasted

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So why must binary digits define, for all time, the limits of computation, and our experience of it?

There's enough layers of irony here that it's a bit hard to tell if he's making a serious argument here or not; but this is one of the weirder straw-men arguments I've ever read.

"No no no, it's not all the exploitation, social ills, lack of user control, shoddy quality, and general capitalism I hate in the modern "tech" industry; it's the fact that it uses binary!"

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Shorter HN: wasting gigawatts of power to increase VC valuations - fine. Discarding 80k pounds of butter because of missing allergen information is the worst thing to happen since the burning of the library of Alexandria

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42150991

I was watching an old Day9 stream today and this story is bouncing off of some comments he made about the importance of degenerate players to competitive design. Like, this is a pretty dumb outcome of regulation, but at the same time if you try to define regulations to create an exception for what "everybody knows" is in something suddenly that process gets taken advantage of by self-interested manufacturers who will figure out how to convincingly argue that "everybody knows" their generic shampoo contains peanuts and shellfish or whatever. And in the context of this kind of regulation that degenerate play will get people killed.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Gasp

This is just like the fall of Rome.

E: eurgh the people arguing against regs that help people with allergies.

[–] s3p5r@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago

Crossposting this thread from nottheonion@lemmy.world with the fortune article "Elon Musk’s AI turns on him, labels him ‘one of the most significant spreaders of misinformation on X’". The article itself is nothing much, but it does have this quote:

The smackdown from his own AI system, ironically, came soon after Musk touted the system to his followers in a tweet reading “Use Grok for answers that are based on up-to-date info!”

A little delicious irony is fine as a treat.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

looks like the autoplag bullshit is causing a "fun" new frontier in the hellscape of youtube copyright fuckery

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Some techbro proposes "HumaneRank" as a distribution system in the post-AI era and while HN finds it disturbingly like a global popularity system at least "it's better than Communism":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42140664

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 4 points 4 days ago

same type of people who call everything a communist social credit score btw

[–] istewart@awful.systems 11 points 6 days ago

Competitive college admissions and tech-industry hiring practices really have done permanent damage to these people, haven't they

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

TL;DR:

AI will take over the economy for reasons so humans will have no economic value for reasons which is terrifying for reasons and also we can't just have males sitting around because y'know so we need to make a pretend economy because communism. So anyway y'know PageRank? Well don't be shocked but humans have relationships too. So yeah basically let's distribute ownership of all the world's resources once a month proportionally to how many likes they receive (no I am not a vtuber why do you ask?).

What the heck did I just read?

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago

youtube poop, apparently

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Whuffie, but worse

also, I thought these guys loved The Culture...

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (7 children)

is the s in esrtweets for "shitty"? because holy fuck are they shitty

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you find yourself saying

There isn't a single good term in English for people who are post-pubertal but below the legal age of consent or majority

you may already be morally diseased.

[–] self@awful.systems 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

no part of me is surprised that every famous FOSS personality has a ridiculously bad age of consent take, but it is a real fucking problem that this keeps happening

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You're being perhaps too generous to consider ESR a famous FOSS personality.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He's definitely up there, or at least used to be. The Cathedral and the Bazaar, his attempt to justify why Linux is more successful than GNU or BSD, used to be very much a part of the open source canon. He cofounded OSI. He forked some POP3 client to make his own bad and insecure one called Fetchmail, then refused to improve it.

Personally I'm happy to know he's become less relevant nowadays.

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 3 points 4 days ago

Emphasis on used to. He worked fairly hard at becoming a household name, but ultimately his fame was pretty brief. Stallman achieved meme status, love him or hate him. Torvalds actually ships shit people use. There's just no discourse around Raymond these days, good or bad.

Every once in a while someone trips over one of the pitons he's driven into the wall of FOSS to try and climb it, discovers his abysmal takes, amd everyone promptly forgets about him again.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

dunno, it’s definitely up there. maybe not a recent one, and I could understand people sub-25 perhaps not knowing the name, but across a fair bit of the foss space the name is household

unfortunately

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, he even gets mentioned by xkcd in the same breath as Stallman or Linus. (That it turns out the latter is the least worse of the three (he actually realized that being an asshole was bad) is quite the surprise).

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 3 points 4 days ago

That was way back in 2007. Probably close to when I read his stuff... but even then he was clearly still clinging to the Halloween Letters and seemed extremely old school.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 8 points 6 days ago

On top of the disgusting subject matter, why do these people think that even unlimited-character Twitter is a good format for posting these screeds? The site design, even on the main site, is absolutely terrible for presenting this much writing. Everything mashed into the constrained center column means way too many line breaks, meaning it's a chore to read. Same thing with that freak Ackman; whatever overwrought bullshit he was posting just made my eyes glaze over.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

libertarianism.tweet

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