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I'm a dude, but I frequently browse BadWomansAnatomy. I was having a (calm, respectful) debate with a few users regarding how a lot of people that have "transitioned" still bear hallmarks of their former gender (I mentioned one of my long time friends who has gone from MTF and still looks the same. Kaitlin and Elliot are also good examples). The ban was because I dared to use the "dead names" of Elliot Page and Kaitlin Jenner! Oh the horror! 😱

I went to post in /r/rant how I just thought it was ridiculous and it was autoremoved because I mentioned the world "mod" in the title and I mentioned a specific community 🀣

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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 24 points 3 days ago

Yeah no you brought that shit on yourself.

  • First of all, trans women actually show lower T levels than cis women because they're literally taking medicine that blocks its production, and yes, cis women do produce testosterone too, just not from testicles. So whatever nonse you think you're able to clock trans women with, you're probably accusing cis women and being a real douche about it too.

  • Second, dead naming is genuinely just a dick thing to do even outside the presence of the person in question, because you're fundamentally saying that you care so little for someone that you're not even going to respect their preferred form of being addressed, which like, why would ya go out of your way to be that asshole. You're being that guy who insists on calling Tim Timothy all the time, why would you be doing that except to get under Tim's skin? Stop being that guy and just call him Tim like a normal person who doesn't need to have basic manners and zero effort good human behavior explained to them.

  • Third, so you're admitting outright you broke community rules and are still thinking the post in question being removed is unfair? I'm not normally a fan of powermodding but bro that's not an excuse to be mad that you faced consequences for breaking the rules in broad daylight.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean, did you intend to dead name them? If not, did you correct yourself?

Because if you did it intentionally, you're an asshole. If you did it by mistake because you brain farted, but didn't correct it, you're an asshole. You did use the right names here, so I ain't mad. But let me frame things for you.

If you went through the effort of changing what people call you from your first name to your middle name, anyone refusing to switch would be an asshole. Doing it if you were struggling with something major related to that name would make them a giant asshole.

IDGAF who it is, if they aren't picking a name just to fuck with people, you fucking call them what they want to be called, period. Anything else is just douchebaggery.

Now, when you add in that dead naming trans people can be an act of aggressive verbal attack to trans people as a whole, the person doing so isn't just an asshole, they're a bigoted asshole.

Is that who you want to be? The person that fucks with people just trying their best to live a free and happy life? If that is who you want to be, I have to warn you that reddit is not the only place online you'll end up barred from. And there are people that will treat you poorly because of being an asshole. Actions have consequences, and words can be a form of action. While I support your freedom to say what you want within the framework of general legality regarding incitement, that doesn't mean anyone has to accept that kind of thing and let you spew nastiness.

So, take the ban like an adult. Accept that you fucked up enough for the community, and use that in the future to really think about the subject and decide who you want to be.

[–] Tregetour@lemdro.id 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

So, take the ban like an adult. Accept that you fucked up enough for the community, and use that in the future to really think about the subject and decide who you want to be.

I see this patronizing, judgmental language everywhere on the internet, and I'm pretty tired of it. OP is right to be annoyed.

Here's an intelligent question: Why is R*ddit a place where every little infraction, real and perceived, attracts the account death penalty?

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Well, if you are seriously defending someone dead naming people on purpose, nobody worth a damn cares about your opinion.

To answer your question, there's two parts. First, it doesn't matter where it is, shitty behavior means you aren't allowed back. Reddit, lemmy, your house, my house, a bar, you ignore yr rules you get thrown out and not allowed back in.

Second, reddit is reddit. The site/company has been like that for ages, so anyone acting surprised by it are idiots, and anyone still using it when the company has repeatedly shown they will do exactly what op described is a masochist and/or an idiot.

Now, you can be as tired of it as you like, we don't owe each other a gods damned thing. But OP was a moron, and deserved to be out on their ass. Any rational adult is aware that words have consequences. Any rational adult knows that if one breaks the rules of a community, one will be rejected from that community. This is not calculus, it's 2+2. So, when an adult does something bone headed and gets ejected, they need to be an adult and move on without whining about it.

Also, it wasn't a very intelligent question. It was phrased poorly, and reflects limited thinking. That, btw, is patronizing and judgemental as well ;)

[–] rocci@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago

Maybe just don't use the dead names?

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Yeah, Lemmy is way more politically left than Reddit, this post isn't going to last very long here.

Like, the average Lemmy user is a Linux Obsessed Trans Communist that works in IT. Any user that is outside of that is most likely a minority on Lemmy. If you thought Lemmy was going to be less politically charged, I am sorry to say you won't be finding less politics here than on Reddit.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lemmy has zero chill even if you are a leftist, it's like zero fun to post here, I tend to just lurk

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think whats frustrating is that when the Great Migration was happening from Reddit, people telling Redditors to go to Lemmy were advertising it like a place that was more politically neutral than Reddit. So when people come over expecting that kind of community only to realize they were lied to, that makes it very frustrating.

I know thats what happened to me when I first learned about Lemmy, and it was not fun. I don't post political stuff, but I thought I wasn't going to keep seeing it everywhere. My feed is like a ghost town now though, because I just instantly ban communities or users I see posting that stuff. I don't care, I don't want to see it. Yall can talk about it without me.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Same thing happened on my old account, no content after blocked everything that annoys me. Don't want to hear about how much you hate cars in every single thread, it's boring

Other problem is no matter what you post it gets downvoted, and that's why when I get access to reddit again I'll bail on lemmy because there's no chance of it growing. This is like leftist 4chan and it's tiresome to post here; never going to get new people this way

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Honestly you hit the nail on the head with the "leftist 4chan" bit. I'm not someone who chases up votes or anything, but I do like when I see my comments resonate with other people and get the "agreement vote." That doesn't happen here.

Especially in the gaming communities of Lemmy the users are so hateful towards literally any upcoming "AAA+" game that gets posted about. Like you can't even say you think something looks fun without a bunch of people just coming to downvote you or give you shit for daring to announce that you're excited for something new.

[–] NESSI3@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is so true. As an old school progressive I tend to point out the aspects of modern leftism which clash with traditional progressive views and I usually get downvoted into oblivion. For example I'm not tolerant of Islamic societies that force their women to cover their faces. Well I was quickly informed that I was islamophobic but I'm not going to be bullied into changing my view under the guise of respecting other culture's beliefs. Just because a belief is cultural does not make it righteous.

The other day I told a user to stop needlessly censoring language in response to them stating that someone's post title was misogynistic and demanding them to change it. The offending title had the word bitch, used the same way Jesse Pinkman used it in breaking bad. It wasn't directed towards women in any way and the use of the word was synonymous with the word punk. Apparently that gets your post removed and your account banned on hexbear's politics channel. How can we overcome our differences if we're not even willing to talk about them?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Traditional progressive. Wut?

Boy you're so ideologically confused.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This community is on .world, we'll see

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean more that it was going to get downvoted and OP might delete it themselves, I wasn't really talking about moderation in this particular community, which does a pretty good job from what I have seen.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah downvoting doesn't help change someone's opinion it just makes them angry lol, that's why lemmy will die

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I personally hide downvotes for this reason

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah it helps but it's not set by default which is my main criticism, newcomers do not stick around here

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago

From version 0.19.4, yes.

Your instance isn't there yet, hopefully in the coming weeks.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Like, the average Lemmy user is a Linux Obsessed Trans Communist that works in IT.

Wasn't reddit similar but insane and toxic people

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've seen a few toxic profiles on Lemmy so far

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

the average Lemmy user is a Linux Obsessed Trans Communist that works in IT

Come on. Stop exaggerating. First of all surely that has to at least be limited to certain communities. Secondly, how can the "average" person be such an extreme? Like, what are the outliers in that sample data?!

[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've seen some pretty hard right trolls on here since joining up. Not many, but a few.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But are they also trans and Linux-obsessed working in IT?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Remember what lemmy users say of the people on reddit that they tried to get away from by coming to the fediverse? It's you, you are that people.