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[–] theedqueen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

Yes, please. Protecting and solidifying rights in the areas we can is the only way we can get through this nightmare. Hopefully progressives can claw back from this although it’s going to take generations.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 63 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I bet the state’s rights crowd will love this

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 37 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

Literally the civil war started because kansas didn't want to be a slave state. The whole state's right thing is just a talking point not a held belief.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly I'd feel safer if we reduce the power of the federal government and put the power to the states. Sorry left-leaning people in red states, can't let states like yours drag the country down with you.

[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 21 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

As someone in a swing state, I’d be ok with that. Make the US like the EU.

For one thing, every 4 years residents of swing states get relentlessly harassed and it fucking sucks. But also It’s so so much easier to make changes on a smaller local level without the influence of distant populations. Sure it would suck in some ways and for some states, but maybe if each state only had to convince a few thousand people to do better, rather than literally millions (presidential election, very demoralizing), swing states would be more left leaning.

And if not, well it would probably be a lot easier to move states than move countries, even if they were EU style countries.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

After all, you don't need to learn a new language or integrate into a new culture when you move. People move in Europe all the time, and the US states is easy mode compared to that

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 51 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

No concrete plans yet but we’ll see what they can do. Good to see that some people haven’t given up all hope.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 42 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Do not give up hope. Don't stop trying to make the world a better place. As long as we have people that take action, we still have hope.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I'm done, y'all can have hope. My hope was deleted long ago.

[–] andrewthe95th@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm prone to thinking like that too, but what keeps me from staying that way is the knowledge that that's exactly what the fascists want. So fuck em, it may be illogical but they can pry my belief that we can build a better world from my cold dead hands.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago

Fighting fascism is a great cause to rally behind and give people purpose.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I've done nothing useful or transformative.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You don't need to be a rockstar. Almost nobody's a rockstar. We need you to be you and to give at least one shit.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Just the smallest shit. One iota. One atom.

Don't give in to what those fuckers want.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

If nothing else, save a little for the next vote in 2 years. We can't afford to lose you.

[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I still have hope... just not for America. I can make somewhere else better.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Unfortunately, I believe America affects the world.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

California should just separate from Fed

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

A constitutional crisis is very likely over the next 4 years. And if it does, all bets are off.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

The crisis already happened when the SC declared the President a dictator and Biden didn't have them executed for it with the powers they just gave him.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Technically they said Presidents and Former Presidents cannot be prosecuted for it, not give them the authority to. You still have to find a "yes-man" to obey those orders. Biden can try, tell the military to kill SCOTUS members for treason, they say "Sorry Mr. President No-can-do". Biden might be immune for trying to do it.

*keyword "might" be, but Scotus can say "that was not an official act"

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

*keyword “might” be, but Scotus can say “that was not an official act”

In this thought experiment, they would certainly not be able to say that because they wouldn't exist anymore.

Any new justices would certainly certainly hold the Biden-preferred opinion, because otherwise he wouldn't nominate them. (That opinion would neither be "Biden is immune and this is fine" nor "that was not an official act," but rather "we're overturning the previous decision and making the President prosecutable for illegal official acts again," because forcing that ruling would be the entire point of the exercise, BTW.)

In this thought experiment, they would certainly not be able to say that because they wouldn’t exist anymore.

Bruh my brain is so filled with election anxiety that I don't even realize this fact 🤣

But the point remains, the military would never obey such orders. Biden would have to quickly fire the chain of commands until he finds such commander, find a unit in the military willing to perform such illegal act, carry out the act, then get senate to confirm new justices. Oh btw Democrats still believe in the rule of law, senate Democrats would never approve this, even if he orders 50 of the most conservative members killed (50 is quorum btw) there wouldn't be 25 democrats willing to confirm them. What would happen is republican house would impeach biden along with like 90% of democrats voting in favor, then the senate would probably like 40/50 dems voting to convict. Democrats would lose the electoral college like all the swing states against whatever republican is running, even if he tries to get the entire republican ticket killed, since non voting republicans would be raging against democrats. The Democratic party would have to disband and form another party to try to rebrand.

I mean Biden is not a dictator, he can only do what average Democratic politicians in congress would deem acceptable. I mean at this point its just political fan-fiction. This is civil war territory and any speculation would sound surreal and ridiculus.

(The results of this election is already surreal enough)

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 6 hours ago

He could have asked for volunteers. I know one person.

[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Solve the water crisis, then yeah

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Australia uses desalinization and it works well.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

True, at least the magas don’t have full control of every state government.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Thats the small hope I'm hanging on to. Federalism might save our country from fascism. Hopefully...

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It will do the exact same thing that happened last time:

Create a civil war.

As the good option.