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Summary

Donald Trump’s decisive victory in the 2024 election leaves no room for ambiguity or an “asterisk” in his legitimacy, as he won both the popular vote and the Electoral College.

This outcome represents a clear mandate from American voters, who knowingly chose Trump’s policies and approach.

The anticipated results include pardons for January 6 participants, attacks on the press, and an administration filled with controversial figures.

By voting for Trump, Americans prioritized divisive rhetoric over democratic values, accepting the resulting turmoil.

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[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

MAGA terrorists want to gun down trans people in the streets because they can't help their ungodly attraction to them

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 3 points 20 hours ago

Americans chose entertainment above their future.

[–] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unpopular Opinion: Trump represents a demographic transition in the U.S. as the old people go into retirement new young people emerge. The retiring and now dying people had the following properties:

  • did not use social media, reads popular newspapers
  • extrovert, wanted to dominate international institutions and create new international rules
  • pro free markets, wanted to achieve global systems dominance, containment of enemies (Soviet Union)
  • unionized working class (example: Boeing employee)
  • majority Protestant, Catholic or Mormon

Meanwhile Peter Thiel, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy and other Silicon Valley emperors captured a new demographic:

  • uses social media, isolated in select bubbles
  • introvert, isolationist
  • pro tariffs, local markets, walls as a symbolic and total solution to societies openness, what I would describe as "self containment protectionism"
  • not in a union, does not even dream of a union. (example: Fruit picker in Florida/Texas)
  • Catholic, majority is atheist now

This might represent the final shift away from the old cold war era to a new war(?) era. To my understanding South America is majority introvert conservative catholic in its foreign policy and North america is (was) majority extrovert unionized protestant in its foreign policy. And now North America starts to look more like an isolationist version of Argentinia or Brazil to me with heavy protestant tones (think of Milei of Argentinia or Bolsonaro of Brazil, who are ironically more protestant than catholic in their support base). I am not american so proudly correct me where I am totally wrong in my analysis.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TBH I think there is a negative correlation between introvert/isolationist and fans of Musk. Musk is more appealing to the average schmuck, idiots who know not of his sins. People who use social media for good vibes but question nothing.

[–] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Yep I agree now the analysis is wrong on the extrovert/introvert part and it is totally uncorrelated. Many "business types" who love the Elons, Peter Thiels, or Viveks out there seem management types who want short term stock prices to go up, by any means needed.

Also I would not describe Donald Trump or Steve Banon as introverts.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

He's the punishment America deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I made these so when things start going bad, we could put these up as a reminder.

[–] eletes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bravo, I had been just thinking about getting some of these made up

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 23 hours ago

Same! I started working on a couple but had to run off. These are what i was going for!

Thanks op!

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The only reason this isn't the best idea ever is I would have to have his face on my phone to use them. But I don't know what the solution to that is.

I've bookmarked and maybe I can remember.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Thank you for your service

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans always say the 2nd amendment is there to prevent dictatorships. How about you proof it this time?

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 22 hours ago

How did you get a jpeg of the dream I had last night?

[–] corroded@lemmy.world 222 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I am American, and I have always loved my country. Until now, I've never been ashamed to call myself patriotic. My thought has always been than there will always be uninformed, uneducated assholes that vote against their own self-interests and the interests of their own country.

This election is different, though. We knew exactly what we were getting if we re-elected Trump. We responded by not only electing him in a landslide election, but handing the House and the Senate over to the Republicans, too. It was a clear message. America is not a nation of mostly good people with a few vocal "bad apples." We are a nation of hateful, scared bigots, and we proved it in a big way.

This was a turning point in American history, and the majority of us sent a clear message to their fellow citizens and to the world. America is not a nation of mostly good people being overshadowed by a media that covers the loudest assholes in the room. America is a nation of people who by a majority support exactly what the "crazy" Republicans are saying. I would feel better if Trump lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote, but that's not what happened.

This isn't an election where I've lost only lost faith in the democratic process or my fellow citizens, although both are true. This is an election where I've lost faith in my country as a whole. I have never been proudly Republican or proudly Democrat, but I've always been proudly American. Now I'm just... sad. I don't expect I'll see a day any time soon where I can honestly say I'm proud of my country. The best I can do is retreat into my own personal bubble, live my life, and watch the world burn around me until the flames consume everything I care about.

[–] TaterTurnipTulip@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

If you truly consider yourself a patriot, you will do what you can to help the people who will actually be in danger during this administration. Find orgs near you that help the marginalized and underrepresented. Volunteer. Educate others. Do whatever you are able to.

This is not the time to retreat. This is a time for action.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I feel the exact same way....I'm disgusted with us for letting this happen.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

For me, it was the days and weeks after Jan 6th, when it became clear that outright insurrection, a violent coup, was not going to spark a course correct.

The republican party should have shattered. The non-fascists should have woken up, and fought with MAGA, and years later, a viable political party rise from the ashes.

But that didn't happen. A few conscientious dissenters fell on their swords, most at retirement age anyway. Fascism took over completely. And the American people ate it up.

Weeks after Jan 6th, it was clear that consequences were not coming. They took their mask off, and no one cared, or couldn't stop them.

And here we are. Convicted felon with absolute power on his way to the Whitehouse, who owns the SCOTUS, Senate, and likely the House.

Trump will have unchecked power to do whatever he damn well pleases.

Way to fucking go, America. I fucking hate my countrymen.

[–] 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago

America is not a nation of mostly good people with a few vocal "bad apples." We are a nation of hateful, scared bigots, and we proved it in a big way.

A big chunk of the rest of the world have telling you that for decades, but you guys believed the lie about some “shining city upon a hill”. The American dream was always built on the misery of others.

[–] v_krishna@lemmy.ml 48 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I'm 40, started paying attention to politics in the Clinton years and then really paying attention with Bush v Gore in 2000. America was full on neolib vs neocon bullshit back then, a quarter of a century ago. The 2nd Iraq War was a big moment for me of realizing that the only thing America stands for is corporate hegemony. Project 25 is no different than the Project for a New American Century, and the "opposition" from the "left" isn't fundamentally against any of it, they just pay a bit more lip service to culture issues (which are of course important if you aren't a cis white christian male, but they are clearly not enough).

Tl;dr

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The majority of modern Republican presidents lost the popular vote, for one thing. This time that isn't the case.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I am close to the same age and something feels different now. The Trump administration is many levels of degenerate beyond the Bush administration. Even Dick fucking Cheney endorsed Kamala Harris FFS. I think Trump is pretty far beyond neocon, unfortunately. Just straight up Fascist.

The Neocons may have started rolling this snowball back then, but it is an avalanche now.

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[–] genXgentleman@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Yep. I would say, let them wallow and burn in what they voted for. The problem is that the rest of us will be suffering along with them. Most of the world's incumbents have been voted out of office and the countries' voters have shifted right. I think the flood of immigrants to the U.S., England, Italy, and Germany is one of the main reasons that has caused the shift in voters, along with the economies. Although U.S. has the best economy in the world currently & voters have no memories. Trump was the one that killed the immigration bill so he could campaign on the issue. Fuck, he even to every one to blame him. AND, the Biden administration has pulled off a soft landing on inflation. Which is something 99.9% of economist said couldn't be done. I've been hearing people voted for Trump because the price of eggs was too high. SERIOUSLY! WTF! No one remembers that the avian flu wiped out most of the farms??? One bird gets sick, they had to destroy the whole stock in that particular coop. They bitch about egg prices while the drive around in their V-8 trucks or suburbans. Also, under Biden, American has been out producing oil/gas than any other country. So, yea, the dumb fucks got EXACTLY what they wanted. Wait until those tariffs kick in and see if they bitch.

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

America deserves what is to come

Yeah, maybe. But the rest of us sure fucking don’t. I feel a bit like a some random American I don’t know or endorse voted for me on a few global issues.

I’m pissed about that, I have to admit.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 125 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They also solidified this form of political campaigning. Its only going to get more hateful from here on out. We are watching Nero burn Rome.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 97 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (48 children)

Something to keep in mind.

Trump didn't win a significant number of new voters. He kept his base, which is roughly the size of what it was in 2020.

The problem was that Harris lost voters. In droves. Nationwide. And she took a lot of winnable downballot candidates with her. And I'm not even saying that to blame her. She ran a magnificent campaign while Trump was most noted for saying "They're eating the dogs!". So why did she still lose, and lose so hard? Because Democrats stayed home. Roughly about 10% of them overall, nationwide. Sure, some of them stayed home or voted 3rd party to protest Gaza, especially in Michigan. But the real story is that she underperformed so badly nationwide. I mean, for the love of God, New Jersey was competitive. That call about Iowa possibly going blue is going to be up there with "Dewey defeats Truman" in terms of political misfires. She severely underperformed with men and Latinos, especially Latino men. Which means this: 8-10 million people couldn't stomach voting for Trump, but they'd rather passively hand over the country to Trump vs. voting for a black woman. Whether the problem they have is the fact that she's black, female, or both is irrelevant. But the message they sent was clear. "We don't want Trump, but we'd rather step back and just let Trump take the country rather than vote for her."

The problems with bigotry in this country go much deeper than some people are willing to admit, and Harris just found that out the hard way. As far as the voting base is concerned, voting for Obama was a mistake that they will not repeat again, and they just proved that by handing Trump everything he wanted on a silver platter instead.

We can't even say that it's an outsized minority any more. A majority of the people in this country just spoke up and said that they either want the racism and bigotry or are at least willing to put up with it.

Trump won the election not because Democrat voters said "Trump!", but because they said "Not Harris."

[–] rishado@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Magnificent campaign 🤣🤣🤣

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Well, at least half of it. They'll get a lot more than they expected, I suspect.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I just want fucking Healthcare and not-extinction.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Healthcare is going away for most people as are women's rights and rights, really, for anyone who isn't a rich white Christian man. You guys really fucked yourselves, and to a great extent everyone else, this time. Get ready for the biggest deficit in global history followed by a depression for the ages.

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yup. They are going to absolutely plunder the American people and it's resources.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party repeatedly expressed the need for a strong Republican Party. They sure got it.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Joe Biden said as much, out loud, several times.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I have a friend. His mother is an undocumented immigrant. He admitted today that he voted for Trump due to concerns about inflation.

I just don't even know what to say anymore: he's college educated, but he still thinks Trump wasn't talking about his mom.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

He deserves to have her deported, and she deserves not to be punished for him being a dipshit.

Fuck him. Also, that poor woman.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 47 points 2 days ago

The leopards are about to have a face buffet.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 69 points 2 days ago (16 children)

On one hand, it's going to be funny watching them cry about it once the consequences of their actions start to impact their lives negatively.

On the other hand, I live in Canada, so it's going to fuck us over too.

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 89 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Remember, with doublespeak they’ll continue* to blame the democrats while their Republican leaders dismantle their rights, the economy, and the government right in front of their eyes.

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