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There are many reasons to hate the Cybertruck. Looks, shoddy workmanship, flat out performance lies, Man-child business owner, etc...

But my biggest gripe, and this is the unpopular bit, is that in my opinion, it's not actually a truck at all.

The Cybertruck is a uni-body construction, often called a "car chassis". It shares that with the Honda Ridgeline, Hyundai Santa Cruz, and a few others. Trucks that are meant to do actual work use a body-on-frame construction because it has more ability to flex and twist when you put a heavy load in the bed or towing something heavy.

To put it simply, if you put a heavy enough load in the back of a uni-body truck, you're going to lose some traction on the front wheels as the weight will tilt the entire body backwards, whereas real trucks made for work are developed with the bed mounted separately to avoid that issue.

I know that yes, Santa Cruz, Cybertruck, Ridgeline, etc... are still technically classified as a truck. But in my (unpopular) opinion, anything uni-body shouldn't be classified as one.

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[–] Technoguyfication@sh.itjust.works 82 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not to mention it’s an entirely aluminum frame that has been shown to shatter instead of bend when overstressed, which is the opposite of what you want when you’re towing a trailer down the road at 65mph

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago

At least you'll never have to deal with frame realignment after a crash

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

You'll also break the frame if you hop on the hitch. It has a vertical load rating of 160 pounds and the frame is aluminum. No bending, just breaking. It's poorly conceived, executed, and implemented from top to bottom.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It has a vertical load rating of 160 pounds

Did literally nobody ever use the tow hitch to jump into the bed or something during development? How does this even happen?

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Have you ever driven a Tesla of any variety? They were designed by people who clearly have never driven a car before in their lives.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

There's no way that barrel chested mfer is 160 pounds

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

This seems like guaranteed failure if it goes over nearly any rough road or rapid inckune/decline with a load trailer.

Of course the odds that anyone attaches a trailer is pretty low.

[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My Volvo has a hitch weight rating of 500 lbs

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah. Almost every car has a higher vertical weight limit.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This seems like a guarantee of failure for ANY actual use of the hitch. How is that even legal?

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think this is all that unpopular of an opinion. It was one of the biggest complaints I saw when the design was first shown. There's actually a number of trucks I've seen out there that aren't trucks in my opinion, as they can't just backup and get loaded with whatever to haul off. I use my SUV more as a truck by just dropping the seats than some of these designer minibed raised chassis monstrosities could.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The term "vestigial bed" is the most accurate thing I've seen. Tf is the point of a 4 foot bed on a pickup?

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I used to have a Ford Explorer Sport Trac, that had a 4.5' bed and it was a great size for me about 90% of the time. Now I have a monstrous 6.5' bed, and it's too big 90% of the time. (The used truck market is extraordinarily bad and I took what I could get.)

Don't get me wrong, there are still thousands of reasons to find the Cybertruck horrid, but the bed size, I personally would say, isn't one of them.

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have a short bed Tacoma (5’1” I think) and for almost everything I need it to do it does it. But if I want to sleep in the bed I have to drop the tailgate or sleep catawampus.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

catawampus

I was going to confirm that yes, 5'1" is a typical shortbox. But I first have to say wow....I haven't heard that word in a very long time. I love it.

[–] 30p87 21 points 2 weeks ago

In fact, it can't even tow, because the hitch can just rip off. It's a useless pile of scrap metal.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I.......I'm not sure this is unpopular, so much as it is nit-picky. It would be like saying your favorite nut can't be honey roasted peanuts simply because the peanut isn't a nut at all. It's a legume. Doesn't mean you wouldn't be arrested for attempted murder if you force fed someone peanuts who had a known nut allergy.

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[–] ddplf@szmer.info 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is absolutely a design decision. They won't tow, they won't go off the asphalt, they will mostly climb sidewalks and the only heavy loads they will ever carry will be the ones in their owners' bellies after family dinner at Olive Garden.

They are oversized crossovers with open trunk and that's plenty more than their owners need.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Reminds me of an old Miller Hugh Life commercial I loved. Showed an old guy watering his lawn by hand with nothing but a hose while looking at his neighbor’s new SUV (when they were getting popular). The voiceover says: “The only ‘off-road action’ this $60,000 monstrosity will ever see is if its owner accidentally backs over a flowerbed. A real man knows a station wagon when he sees one!”

[–] wiccan2@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

The cyber truck is a Ute.

[–] BobbyGasoline@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wait? Is the cybertruck a shitty electric camino?

Edit: deleted second electric

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

This is insulting to the El Camino

[–] jotadeo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

In a previous post, somebody called it a name that will forever live in my head:

WankPanzer.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

We should start to distinguish the two different styles of trucks by bringing back the term "pickup".

These smalls trucks can be "pickups" and the truck trucks can be trucks.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

After reading your comment I realized I didn't really know the difference between a 'pickup' and a 'truck'. I found this pretty informative:

https://motorandwheels.com/difference-pickup-and-truck/

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

While I am onboard with this, it is funny that the article keeps changing terminology and uses ‘pickups’ and ‘puckup trucks’ interchangeably.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Back in my home country, we exclusively called them pickups. “Truck” was used for anything from box trucks to 18-wheelers. But the passenger vehicles with beds were called pickups, regardless if it was a Maverick or an F150. Took a while for me to adapt to calling them trucks in the US.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes please.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Just to add.... if the Cybertruck, Ridgeline, etc... are trucks, then so is the El Camino...technically. And that is certainly not true.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The El Camino is a coupe utility vehicle, which is like a truck in the same way a three door hatchback is like a atation wagon. Kind of an midpoint between two other more distinct classes of vehicles.

Unibody trucks are still trucks if they can do general truck stuff like haul cargo in a bed and are generally shaped like a truck. They are definilty lighter duty though, which is fine and I wish coupe utility would make a comeback.

The cybertruck is just terrible at being a truck.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

I would absolutely argue (and that's kind of my point) that the Cybertruck...and ESPECIALLY the Santa Cruz is closer to a coupe utility vehicle rather than a truck.

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[–] esc27@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I think of them like planets.

The Ford Maverick looks like the larger trucks in style but is unibody, so it is Pluto. Looks like a planet, considered by many to be one, but technically a "dwarf planet"

The Santa Cruz is Ceres. Round, definitely planet like, but harder to call a planet.

The Cybertruck is Arrokoth. Few would mistake it for a planet. Weird looking, misproportioned, and way out there...

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Car classification seems to change all the time. As a non-car person I can't keep up.

For me this is a truck:

But all the other classifications also change all the time. In 20 years a Cybertruck lookalike is probably a limousine or a compact car.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a European lorry, American trucks don't have a flat nose.

(I am somewhat kidding)

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] nomous@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's clearly a Japanese truck.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Whistlin Diesel broke his truck waaaayy sooner than expected because of the uni-body.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I never understood how the "X" was an SUV.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 2 weeks ago

the x is for crossover, i think

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Cybertruck not actually a truck. Musk directs Tesla to rename flagship vehicle "Cyber-not-a-truck." News at 9:00.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago

Tesla Cyber-el-camino

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Nah you forgot his fascination with the female chromosome. It'll be the CyberX.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah that’s unpopular - I shared that view in the early days of unibody construction but manufacturers can do a lot more with that now. Why not judge whether it’s a truck by whether it can do truck things?

We’re way past the point where trucks are used for stereotypical truck things and they’re used for a much wider range of uses. Most don’t need to be so heavy duty to fulfill their use case.

Unless you’re also going to claim we don’t need 80% of the trucks we have, you’re just being pretentious about the need for heavy duty vehicles and what manufacturers are able to design

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Unless you’re also going to claim we don’t need 80% of the trucks we have

I would never presume to claim any such thing. I drive a 2021 Canyon quarter-tonne precisely because I think there is a use case for lighter duty trucks for people like me who aren't doing much more than hauling home-reno trash to the dump and moving some furniture for friends.

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