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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They'll take away volume control (SW/HW buttons) and replace with dynamically adjusting "magic volume" so that you can't mute ads.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Oh Christ. You've just triggered a premonition in me–the Galaxy S32 Ultra will be the first smartphone with no physical buttons or ports. You can turn it "off," but that will only turn on a sort of extreme power saving mode. It will still ping your location once every few minutes, and will keep the fingerprint scanner active. You will "turn on" the device by holding your finger on the fingerprint scanner for four seconds. They will advertise the "quick startup" as a new feature. Volume will be controlled by sliding your finger along the right edge of the phone, which the screen will wrap around all the way to the back. It will be impossible to hold the phone without touching some part of the screen.

It will only allow wireless charging. You will not be able to connect it directly to a computer. In marketing, this will be to meet rigorous water safety standards. In reality, this will be to prevent you from using ADB to remove apps that come with the phone. You cannot turn off mobile data. You cannot turn off location. You cannot use a third party SMS application. You cannot choose your own wallpaper. You cannot set a private DNS. You cannot install applications that haven't been approved by Samsung. You cannot block ads. This is all covered on page 74 of subsection 32(a) of section G8 of the terms and conditions that you agreed to when you set up the phone.

They will meet the physical limitations of how well a small lens can focus light. Zoom will cap out at 150x. Nevertheless, there will be seven cameras.

[–] Xanvial@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

correction a bit, you can use adb via wifi. That's what I do to sideload an app to my Android TV

[–] nicerdicer2@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You will not be able to connect it directly to a computer. In marketing, this will be to meet rigorous water safety standards.

Making devices water-proof is also a marketing scheme to avoid replaceable batteries :

Some manufacturers are already eyeing an exemption for batteries used in "wet conditions" to opt out electric toothbrushes and possibly wearables like earbuds and smartwatches. The exemption is "based on unfounded safety claims," states Thomas Opsomer, policy engineer for iFixit, in Repair.EU's post.

Despite the coming up regulation on batteries and waste batteries by the EU Council batteries in water-proof devices will probably be exempt from being replceable, because the water proof feature of the device cannot be guaranteed. This undermines the right to repair and manufacturers can hope that customers replace their entire devices soon. Making phones water-proof is a loophole to seal off the device so that it is not to be repaired, at least without keeping the water-proof features after repairing.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah pretty sure the Fairphone 5 and its predecessors have a pretty good IP rating, despite their ability to have the battery removed.

[–] fallingcats@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The Galaxy S5 did it first :)

(for a competent smartphone that is)

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I dropped my phone in the bath once, so it's worth it 🤣

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I dropped several flip phones in water ranging from bath, to sink, to ponds and creeks in the mid 00’s to mid teens before getting a smart phone. Out of probably 10 phones used only one was ever ruined by the water, the rest all dried out fine when taken apart and left to dry for a day or two.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

nahhh you'll be able to choose your own wallpaper, the average user will eat up all of those "feautres" but god forbid Keighleeeigh can't put her little baby Xaileeyn as her screen saver

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Next will be memory. They will say everything you meed should be stored online for a subscription fee.

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Microsoft is already trying hard. My poor mom did not notice all her files are on OneDrive. Now she has two laptops with everything remote on OneDrive. It's has some advantages, but it's annoying in so many more ways.

[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago

There's a setting in Onedrive to keep a copy of everything on the device. It will still get stored in the cloud too, but it means that everything will be available if the internet goes down.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

A few years ago my ex got a new laptop and it had onedrive enabled system-wide by default. She didn't realize until after she had been using it for months, I had to spend several hours backing up her files and defenestrating onedrive. It not as simple as just turning it off because it was even on critical system folders, you have to go in the registry and remap the those folders manually one at time before you can disable it.

It is possible, but it fucking sucks.

[–] umulu@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not annoying at all. It's peace of mind. People are just not used to it

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

No, its kidnapping your data to keep you trapped as their customer. If you want peace of mind, you can make your own backups.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

THEY TOOK MY SLIDE OUT QWERTY KEYBOARD!

[–] Endlessvoid@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget the RGB notification led!

I switched to Chinese brand phones, they still have all this and they're dirt cheap, currently rocking an Ulephone power armor 18t, which also has a flir infrared camera and a microscope for some reason. No I'm not joking, they work surprisingly well and have come in handy more than I thought they would!

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not sure I'd consider £600 "dirt cheap" but the thermal camera is definitely cool.

[–] Endlessvoid@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

They have frequent sales, i got it for under 300

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I still have an S9 with a notification LED.

From my cold, dead hands.

[–] KreekyBonez@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

still using the 3.5mm on my S8 every damn day

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

The IR blaster needs to come back. They were mostly on phones pre-smart device where they had super limited usage. With a smart device, they could practically do anything. I wanna use my phone as a universal remote, damn it.

I want a 0hysical.keyboadd too. Touch screen sucks.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I had it on my Xiaomi around 5 years ago, amazing stuff. Could turn on-off air conditioning anywhere, great party trick

[–] aulin@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are different categories of removable.

With my old Note, I had an extra battery that came with case/charger combination. If my battery on my phone died, I could swap the battery in 10 seconds.

[–] Scribbd@feddit.nl 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It states that any battery should be removable and replaceable by the user. So this slap on tactic will only work if your device has no internal battery.

I also noticed this is for all batteries. Not just phones, but also cars etc.

EDIT: As any EU law there is a lot of nuance and exceptions. I dig a little further and found the following:

The regulation introduces requirements that say that portable batteries should be easily removable and replaceable by the end-user and LMT batteries and cells in LMT batteries should be easily removable and replaceable by an independent professional.

So what is LMT?

The regulation defines five battery categories depending on how the battery is used:

  • Portable batteries
  • Light means of transport (LMT) batteries
  • Starting, lighting and ignition (SLI) batteries
  • Industrial batteries
  • Electric vehicle (EV) batteries

I couldn't find any concrete wording for "easily removed and replaceable". But I sure hope it means no more glue for the portable batteries.

Source: https://www.intertek.com/blog/2023/08-17-battery-regulation/

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Smartphone manufacturers, if you're reading this:

I spent 6 hours on google to find a phone with a screen smaller than 6 inch. I did find none (except an old iPhone, but I want android), so I had to buy one 6 inch. It is too unwieldy. I am annoyed.

There is a serious market for people like me. Do not look away. Somebody will buy these phones.

Also, by the way, it's not bad if the phones are a bit thicker.

[–] Kevnyon@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Small phones don't sell, that's just the thing. Asus tried for a few years, it didn't work and now the Zenfone 11 is going to be big again. I'm personally on the other end of it, I'm never going smaller than my current phone (Edge 30 Fusion) because I really like the big screen.

[–] Macros@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

The thing is: Asus phone where never small.

I still use my Nokia N9 from 2012 daily as second phone. It has 117 x 61 x 12 mm. The Asus Zenfone 8 has 148 x 69 x 9 mm. Thats 25% higher (And also 25% heavier)

If you like big screens thats fine. There are plenty of offers for you and the market caters to you. I like small screens and device, because I tend to use complex Apps which require me clicking all over the screen. This is a hassle even with the Pixel 5 which I now got to use apps required (Banking, and so on) I have no options to buy such a device for year. Yes there are very few sometimes popping up like the Unihertz Jelly Star Star, but they all lacked features I consider essential.

(In this case update support, no OLED and Android apps can not deal with the low resolution display) Other features I miss but by now do not even dare to dream of: Real Multitasking, ability to fully customize the lock screen and menus (e.g. to red fonts for stargazing), weeks of standby time in flight mode and a single week in GSM mode, ability to work fine in 2G too because no copious amounts of data are sent in the background without asking you.

So yes there are plenty of options for the standard user, all with minimal differences. But for users like there are many in this thread, there are none.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They removed my slide out keyboard, too.

[–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

Fxtec still builds phones with slideout keyboards. And Unihertz embraces the old Blackberry form factor.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know what else they've taken from us? Actually unique designs for phones. When I look at modern day smartphones, for some reason they look like clones of each other. Where's all the spunk that these manufacturers used to put in their devices?

Fuck you, minimalism. Ever since you've ruined my iPhone back in 2013, my life has never been the same.

[–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

You can be minimalist and still innovative. I love my Nothingphone and the awesome Glyph interface on the back, wish more manufacturers would do something like that.

Unihertz has a similar device with the Luna, but the software isn't great.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I love it when uninformed troglodytes complain about a hole in the screen. They didn't add a hold in the screen. The hole was already there. They just wrapped your screen around it for more screen. 😅

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Physical keyboard? Notification LED?

[–] buffalobuffalo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

OLED displays have obsoleted notification LEDs. And phones with physical keyboards don't sell.

[–] Elektrotechnik@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

OLED displays certainly could, but there is no baked it app that wakes up the screen only if you have a message, blink in different colors or frequencies depending on the message and use the low power always on display api.

Yeah, you can glance at your always on display and make out the little symbol. But that's not an adequate replacement to the notification LED. If I had to guess, it was removed to drive up engagement with your phone.

[–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I am never buying an expensive Smartphone again. Just something that works for emergency calls and 2FA and lets me buy a ticket for public transport. I am not gaming on it, I rarely listen to music with it, I only have about 6 apps on it in total. Give me a long lasting battery and let me replace it. The only thing that I need is a big screen, because I am handicapped and have bad eyesight and it is easier to see and use the software if it isn't too small, otherwise I would prefer a smaller size and I give a f*ck how slim or thick the phone is or how water proof, non of my phones ever got even a tiny bit wet. In the 7 years I own my current phone I have taken about 50 pictures and 48 got deleted shortly after. I also do not need a lot of storage.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For me it's the small size. They are so big now I can't fit them in my pocket or use them with one hand.

[–] max_adam@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I cant hold them firmly, they are too thin. I want thicker phones.

[–] lichtmetzger@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I bought the Nothingphone, it's thicc! So nice to have a thick phone without rounded bezels. I had a Samsung Galaxy before and it was terrible to grab firmly.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Three years ago I predicted Apple would remove wifi from phones and call it a feature.

So far, I was wrong. Thank fuck.

[–] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Android got rid of NFC and Beam

[–] d2k1@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

NFC isn't going anywhere, what are you on about?

[–] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I mean Google Pay works, and that's about it. I used to be able to read RFIDs and emulate my train pass, but it just "doesn't recognize" it.

Beam was a mixture of NFC and Bluetooth/WiFi direct if I recall correctly. So while it isn't going anywhere, a lot of functionality was lost.

[–] d2k1@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I see. Never used NFC for much other than mobile pay, pairing Bluetooth devices and occasionally reading NFC tags for specific tasks. RFID or NFC train passes aren't a thing where I live and I don't think I ever used Beam or something like it with NFC (nowadays there is Nearby Share which is just Bluetooth, I think). So I was confused why you would say Android removed NFC, because for me it works just like it has from the beginning.

[–] superpants@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago

Phone nerds are such losers.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They removed 3 ways water could get inside the phone

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They made it a thin piece of glass that slips out of your hand.

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