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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 27 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Because the conditions required for fascism to take root have been incubating for decades.

Massive wealth inequality, insecure employment, non-existent labor laws and worker's rights, hollowed-out education, healthcare and social services, large corporations getting to write their own laws verbatim, political parties sucking dick for their donors, endless war ensuring unlimited money for the military-industrial complex, demonization of brown-people-of-the-week, fetishization of 'the troops' and ongoing acceptance of brutality.

People are poor, desperate, ignorant, exploited and forgotten, they're shown every day that killing the shit out of outsiders is the solution to all the country's problems, anyone pushing actual progressive ideals is shut down and demonized as a threat to the profits of the 0.1%, giving people a choice between rightwing bastardry and neoliberal bastardry as their only lens through which to see the world.

Give that the opportunity to flare up and of course it's fucking going to. The republicans want it, the dems do nothing to prevent it.

It's like watching a party get the wrong kind of rowdy all night, you keep supplying drinks regardless, then you wonder why it turns into a fight, oh no how could this ever happen?

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

This is the correct answer.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 minutes ago

Same answer it's been for my whole lifetime: a small number of extremely wealthy individuals pumping a constant stream of money into conservative media with the express purpose of changing public opinion.

People who've been listening to this stuff their entire lives don't live in the real world. They legitimately don't believe in reality, and after a certain point I'm not sure it's possible to bring them back. Much like climate change, this kind of thing should've been stopped at the source decades ago, and it might just be too late now.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 11 points 2 hours ago

Some of it is people who read none of the stuff we are. They are heads down, working, etc, just glancing at headlines.

They know one thing: prices were better under trump.

They don’t know one thing: what inflation is. They think if inflation goes down then prices go down.

In short: they think if they vote for trump, prices will go back to 2016-2020.

That’s it. That is why. Prices never go back, and trumps plans for working class will make life even worse, but they still think he’ll bring 2016-2020 prices back with him.

[–] EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 hours ago

Trump supporters live in a different reality. Because they're in a fascist cult.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 hours ago

lies, hatred, and illegal behavior have resulted in zero consequence because people are afraid of hurting GOP's sensitive fee fees, so now a rapist convicted felon con man might be dictator next week

where are all the "we need to respect their viewpoint!!" people now?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 41 points 3 hours ago (2 children)
[–] ArtieShaw@fedia.io 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Roy is great. He's no Moss, but he's great.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Aren't all his noises kind of sad?

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 21 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Because there are far more idiot bigots in this country than anyone wanted to admit.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

What really gets me is I've had people on the Right tell me about the illegal immigrant problem and about how they do all these crimes. Then when I trap them with the obvious, "Trump is felon though" argument I always get, "Oh he's different." alongside the usual conspiracy theories. These are just the bad actors.

So thinking about it, what's even worse are the people who are supporting Trump as reactionary supporters. All they know is they're angry and the Democrats are the ones who always talk about change. So time to vote for not them for reasons they can never explain.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 35 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is a health check and America is very sick.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Looks over at America who's been covering themselves with their own feces for the past decade.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

What's terrible is that it's the right hand that keeps covering us with shit while those of us on the left hand try desperately to get the soap. Not enough soap for all the shit. :(

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Either the election isn't close at all which would make sense with how desperate and frankly weird Republican party antics have been lately. They're nothing but off putting and seem to focus on efforts that are most likely to make them look like overly online idiots. Or the polling is accurate and people are just the dumbest they have ever been and thus democracy is a failure in the modern era. Which means the first party to take over and nullify an election will likely hold power for quite some time. Rather distressing. I am hopeful that the polling is just wrong in this case.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Or the polling is accurate and people are just the dumbest they have ever been and thus democracy is a failure in the modern era.

It's this one. The voter suppression and disinformation is what keeps it closer to 50/50, but without those it would still be like 55/45.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

Fox News primarily.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

because fascism already has a tight grip, regardless of election outcomes

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe the fact that every time Kamala says she wants to appoint Republicans to her cabinet and sign Republican immigration policies into law she slides in the polls a bit should tell us something

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Biden tried the working with Republican thing. They hated him and demonised him.

Why even try?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why try to negotiate with a party who base their entire personalities on obstruction and destroying the government?

Because Dems can't accept that Republicans are a lost cause and they just need to motivate their base instead of trying to appeal to the worst half of the voting populace.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Because Dems can’t accept that Republicans are a lost cause

The problem might be that Dems are a right-wing party and they want to work with the other right-wing party.

But they don't understand - and this makes no sense, because the evidence is obvious - that they have been demonised from since before I was born as being what they are not, namely socialist and communist.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Dems are conservstive, as in what the term originally meant, not right wing.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I define the Dems as right wing, sorry.

I'm pretty sure the Dems fit this definition, overall: "The neo-liberal right sought to combine a market economy and economic deregulation with the traditional right-wing beliefs in patriotism, elitism and law and order".

https://jacobin.com/2022/07/democratic-party-neoliberalism-dlc-clinton

In 1992, Bill Clinton ran for president promising to “end welfare as we know it.” This rightward turn was part of a broader attempt by the Democrats to craft a “progressive neoliberalism” — whose “progressivism” included abandoning its working-class base.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay. Thanks for not trying to change my mind.

"Right-wing politics is the range of political ideologies that view certain social orders and hierarchies as inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable..."

You say "Dems are conservstive". What are they conserving? Would it be certain social orders and hierarchies?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Either you are trollling or have such a skewed version of reality that even trying didn't cross my mind. I assume it is the latter.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

such a skewed version of reality

Thanks! That might well be, unintentionally, a compliment.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well I take that back, you are clearly a troll.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks!

You said “Dems are conservstive [sic]”. What are they conserving? Would it be certain social orders and hierarchies?

Because “Right-wing politics is the range of political ideologies that view certain social orders and hierarchies as inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable…”

Feel free to explain how Dems can be conservative without being right-wing. Perhaps you could point to a textbook on political theory I haven't read.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I have to say, as a teacher myself, you might not be the best cut out for the job.

I'll go to my politics class and see if they can better explain how Dems, being conservative, are or are not right-wing. Would you like to read the best two or three essays?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I don't want your fictional essays from your fictional background.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 4 points 3 hours ago

It may not be. Polling has been off lately, especially "polling without a specific name attached".

OTOH, lots of people vote for party not the person.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Does anyone know if "already voted" people are included in prospective voter polls? If they are excluded, we might be seeing a shift in polling towards Trump because his supporters vote day-of more than Harris voters.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 5 points 3 hours ago

Now you are trying to make people cry.

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