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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 185 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Sure, more Palestinians will die

Sure, Ukrainians will die

Sure, US minorities will die

Sure, the entire world will suffer from a fascist demagogue at the head of the most powerful country in the world

But have you considered that, for a few brief moments of time, ~~we created a lot of value for the shareholders~~ we got to feel smug over the SHITLIBS who wanted to prevent fascism?

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 64 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ahh, but you see, you disagreed with Stalin that one time, and therefore you were the fascist all along

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 46 points 1 month ago (3 children)

As I believe in the abolition of capitalism and the creation of a popular base of support for such a measure, instead of a narrow oligarchy oppressing the proletariat and enforcing its will on society, I am a shitlib. It's a terrible burden to bear. 😔

[–] socsa@piefed.social 17 points 1 month ago

Correct, my harm reduction framework is much more violent than your harm reduction framework, and is therefore more interesting, which makes you wrong.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's honestly such a shockingly privileged position it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense unless they are operating in bad faith. Yes, there are several serious problems in the world, and absolutely none of them are solved by helping the US slip into fascism. Leftists in particular are supposed to hate fascists, so I can't imagine how anyone with leftist sympathies could possibly want to see what the world looks like with an unrestrained Trunp at the helm. Again, unless they are so privileged they don't think the consequences would affect them personally, in which case I would call any other profession of external empathy which they might bleet ad nauseum, as questionably sincere.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago

They don’t think the consequences will touch them. They’re the leftist equivalent of “shitlibs”

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it almost defies belief that anyone could actually be so dense

There is no end to the depths of human stupidity.

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[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

But what else am I gonna do with my feelings of impotent rage? Try to actually change something?

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 38 points 1 month ago (68 children)

I got into this argument the other day. People’s arrogance and lack of common sense was disappointing.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

Yeah, because that worked out so well when in 2016 when Trump got elected, the GOP got multiple Supreme Court picks, multiple federal judges were given life terms, and Roe vs Wade got struck down. Let's see how that plays out when Ukraine falls, war breaks out in Europe, America becomes a theocratic dictatorship, and what little progress we may have seen with the environment completely falls apart and the world goes full tilt towards becoming an uninhabitable hellscape. Whatever the protest was about will be utterly meaningless.

If you want to protest, you protest AFTER you get sympathetic ears into office, not after you get the opposition elected. Trump gets in, then suddenly he'll give you plenty to protest about, vs protesting when Harris is in office and she actually has a willingness to listen to protests and meet their demands.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

They are either Russian trolls or children who have a Disney level perspective on politics, I think. They don't want to recognize that they have very limited options or the harsh realities surrounding them.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 32 points 1 month ago (36 children)

It's almost like the current and immediate conflict between Israel and Palestinians isn't the singular thing that the world should have serious concern about, and that realistic solutions to longstanding international diplomacy issues are - wait for it - hard.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But hard things are hard and involve complexity and nuance! I'd much rather call people racist, spout a simplistic solution and call it a day.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You forgot to smugly pat yourself on the back!

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (15 children)

People refusing to vote for Harris becuase of a foreign conflict they understand nothing about is peak stupidty.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

"I completely understand the Palestine/Israel situation, I've watched multiple tiktoks about it!!!!"

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[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (7 children)

It really depends on which state you live in whether or not you have the luxury of a protest vote. If you live in NY state that has a 20% lead for Harris, sure, some people can vote Jill Stein or something. But if you live in a state that actually might be close or not an obvious blowout, you can't vote that way. You actually have to be tactical with your vote, not idealistic or symbolic.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (29 children)

A large portion of the people you're referring to are Arab Americans. In fact, Trump is now leading with them. I also think Trump would be worse for Palestinians than Harris, but I doubt the best way to convince Arab Americans of that is with condescending memes about how they don't care about the Middle East.

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