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I'd like to think they're all just Russian trolls but increasingly, I think some people are just selfish or dumb.
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this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2024
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A large portion of the people you're referring to are Arab Americans. In fact, Trump is now leading with them. I also think Trump would be worse for Palestinians than Harris, but I doubt the best way to convince Arab Americans of that is with condescending memes about how they don't care about the Middle East.
So pandering to idiots is bad when democrats veer to the center to get centrist votes, but it's good when Harris takes a stand on Gaza?
Hot take: morons are morons. Left and right. Fuck em.
I mean, her poll numbers are dropping as she goes to the center, so yes, apparently.
I don't think any serious analysts are suggesting that stronger support of Gaza would help her. If you know of any, I'd love to read about them.
Representatives Ayanna Pressley, Summer Lee, Ilhan Omar, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Cori Bush, Chuy Garcia, as well Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, Chicago Mayor Brandon, Johnson, the United Auto Workers and J Street have all warned her that she needs to be more supportive of the Palestinian community. No one is saying she would win if she denounced Israel, but many people were warning her that she had to do something to show Palestinians that she gave a shit about them, like have a Palestinian speaker at the DNC or meet with Uncommitted leaders. She refused to do any of those things, and now the Uncommitted movement has declined to endorsed her, Muslim Women for Harris has disbanded, and she's two points behind Trump with Arab Americans. I don't think any serious analysts are saying her position on Gaza is helping her.
None of those are analysts lol
LOL, yeah, man, it's just dozens of Democratic politicians, a union, and a lobbying firm. It's not real until some chud with a Poli Sci degree says it on MSNBC.
I mean... You say all that as if it's supposed to be ridiculous. I specifically asked for a non biased professional opinion.
Well, first of all, if you think the people giving their, "analysis," on MSNBC aren't biased, LOL. People get on MSNBC (or NPR, CNN, Fox News, etc.) for their confidence, not their objectivity. Nate Silver was the closest thing to an, "all data, no opinion," guy, and he turned into exactly the kind of loud mouthed pundit he started out debunking. Second, if you want objective fact, why not trust the poll I showed you where she's behind with Arab voters? Or the poll from earlier this month that showed her in a statistical tie with Trump among Arab voters? Or the poll that came out today that showed Harris lead is completely gone?
Like, I don't know what else to you; Harris' poll numbers have been dropping, she's in a statistical dead heat with Trump in Michigan, and she's polling much worse among Arab Americans than Biden did in 2020. Those are objective facts. If you want to ignore them until someone on TV tells you to be concerned, fine, but I've given it some thought, and my personal analysis is that it scares the shit out of me.
"Don't trust the experts" is really NOT a compelling argument lol, makes me tend to think you got nothing.
The root of the question is, if she takes a hard stance on Gaza, does she gain more Muslim and Leftist voters than she loses moderates? And will this affect critical swing states?
Individual poll numbers about Muslims don't matter without context.
Yeah, again, I don't know what to tell you. I show you multiple experts like Congressmen, unions, and lobbying groups warning her not to ignore the Palestinian community, you say they're biased. I give you data from polls suggesting she's in danger of losing Arab American voters and Michigan, you say they lack context. I guess you want an impossibly detailed study of how many moderate voters she would lose vs. how many progressive voters she could gain by modifying her stance on Gaza, factoring in how their populations' distribution might affect the Electoral College, conducted by people who've never held a political opinion on their lives (or, if you were being honest, people who share your political opinions), but if the results didn't line up with your worldview, I'm sure you'd find a way to reject that too.
Anyway, since you've offered no evidence that I'm wrong (or any evidence of...anything, actually), and since I just remembered you're the account that's constantly getting suspended for toxic behavior, I've decided I've wasted enough time indulging you. There is ample evidence that Harris is jeopardizing her campaign, especially in Michigan, by refusing to make any gesture towards the Palestinian community. If you want to pretend that's not true, you do you. I'm not wasting any more time convincing you the sky is blue.
And, again, for the record, no one is demanding she take a, "hard line," stance on Gaza. The Uncommitted leaders just asked that they allow a Palestinian to speak at the DNC, or that she meet with them. You know, basic outreach. This bullshit that she can't be more appealing than Trump on Gaza without alienating everyone else is a false dichotomy you made up to justify your own beliefs.
There are studies like this ALL THE TIME, which you would know if you had actually cared about politics longer than 6 months ago. In fact I can 100% guarantee that the Harris team has seen at least one such study. It's not "impossibly detailed" lol. It's one single issue.
THAT'S not how anything at all works rofl
Show me one or STFU. We're approaching 24 hours of me presenting evidence to support my point and you going, "no, no, that's not good enough for me," while offering no counter evidence or rebuttal. Show me one your, "serious analysts," or one of the studies they do, "ALL THE TIME," that says Harris would lose ground by reaching out to the Palestinian community. Otherwise, GTFO of my replies.
I asked for one thing, and you keep not giving it. You could have just led with "I don't know of any such studies" but you kept throwing other stuff out there.
LOL, I thought so. Kindly STFU and GTFO of my replies.
So salty.
LOL, if it makes you feel better, sure.
If they vote for Trump, overwhelmingly yes.
The numbers according to the Newsweek article show about 45% Trump, 43% Harris, 4% Stein, 6% undecided, and 2% refused to say (not sure why the Libertarian candidate wasn't included, as he's on the ballot in 47 states). It seems most Arab Americans don't want to vote for Trump, but even more don't want to vote for Harris.
I would argue that Harris is the better vote for people who support Gaza, but I'm not going to tell the Palestinian Americans who won't support her that what they're doing is a, "protest vote," or imply they're indifferent to the carnage in Gaza. The privileged position is the one where you get to make a cool, detached argument for harm reduction, not the one where you have to choose between which candidate will fund the ethnic cleansing of your homeland.
The point of the meme isn't to convince anyone, the point is to yell at people you hate and tell yourself you're so much better than them. Any claim of "activism" and "raising awareness" is transparently false.
Everyone else is a villain huh? I'm petty sure the author thinks their view should be self-evident and doesn't understand why do many people here seem to take actions the author would never consider.
I therefore think the point of the meme is to bring some levity into what would otherwise be helpless frustration.
Have some empathy. Don't think everyone is bitter and miserable.
I empathize with everyone who gets stressed out in election season. These things matter and sometimes it feels like no matter what we do, we're going to lose, but then other times it doesn't. It's a wild ride, and if people want to make things and upload them to social media to relieve their stress, high five. If they get the details wrong, then they'll get called out in the comments section. That's life, everyone knows it, no big deal.
If we're going to preach empathy, maybe we should start by trying to understand the people who are watching their homeland get bombed into rubble with the support of both major parties, not the people sharing snide memes.
Do you only have the capacity to empathize with a limited amount of people owe day or how an I to understand your comment?
Take it as this; when one person says, "you should be less harsh on these people, many of them are seeing their homeland destroyed," and another replies, "they don't care, they just want to lash out at them to make themselves feel better," if you jump in to defend the latter group, it gives the impression that you have more sympathy for the latter group than the former.
It would, but that's not what happened.
You get what you deserve. I'm done with all of this.