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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 338 points 4 weeks ago (89 children)

"Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too."

fuck yes. fuck russia. fuck russians.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 196 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m Finnish. Did you think I’d be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it’s not just lack of real news, it’s lack of history knowledge too."

Man, it's like you spend centuries brutalizing all your neighbors, if not outright conquering them and enforcing holocausts, and this is the thanks you get!

Putin:

Russian culture is so underappreciated 🥺

No, it is appreciated. Just not in the way you want it to be.

[–] mizuki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

fuck russians? fuck the Russian government and the people who support it, not all the russians.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 320 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

He didn't expel all Russians, just the ones working for sanctioned Russian companies.

https://social.kernel.org/notice/AnIv3IogdUsebImO6i

[–] merari42@lemmy.world 112 points 3 weeks ago

Important context and a good decision

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

That would've been great for them to clarify earlier XD

[–] potustheplant@feddit.nl 26 points 3 weeks ago

That would've generated fewer clicks. Sensationalism is always more profitable.

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[–] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 192 points 3 weeks ago (49 children)

I think given the current political situation this is the right call. No one knows what the Russian government might compel otherwise innocent devs to do.

That said, we (and I mean society, not any particular individual) should be mindful that we don’t slip into bigotry.

[–] ____@infosec.pub 61 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

I’ve worked side by side with RU devs who were both personable and damned competent. Never were their tech skills in doubt, and I retain quite a bit of respect for those individuals.

I’d not do the same today explicitly because of the political and compliance implications. It’s unfortunate, but necessary.

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[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 164 points 4 weeks ago (20 children)

Linus is from Finland. Finns barely tolerate Russians under usual circumstances. These are not usual circumstances.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 138 points 4 weeks ago

Absolutely based as fuck as usual.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 94 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

To directly quote Linus:

Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 91 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (29 children)

Save your sanity and do Settings -> Blocks -> Block instance -> lemmy.ml

Also perhaps block me if you strongly disagree with the above.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 74 points 4 weeks ago (19 children)

That instance's mods blocked me this morning lol.

The amount of people simping for Russia in that other thread is insane. Apparently calling Ukraine a country of Nazis is fine, but saying Russia is a dictatorship is not lmao.

If you see a tankie or pro Russia comment, 99% of the time it's a lemmy.ml poster

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

Some of us are actually normal

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 80 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Good cleanup on the security vulnerabilities!

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 27 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Honestly, that's the main thing I was thinking.

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[–] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 69 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (42 children)

Yo this comment section is a dumpster fire 🔥

edit: Remember Russian propaganda's goal is to sabotage free discussion and conversation. They achieve this by e.g. shitting in a comment section. That might explain what's going on here. But then again, could just be the gang that hangs in c/Technology doing their thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] style99@lemm.ee 48 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Lots of pro-Russia bots in here pretending to be concerned about ~~their sudden inability to sneak backdoors into the kernel~~open source.

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[–] trespasser69@lemmy.world 63 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Linus in 2012: Nvidia fuck you

Linus in 2024: Russia fuck you

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 39 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

I wouldn't want to have FSB agents maintaining my open source either.

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[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

How is this keeping to open source philosophies in any way?

“No, you can’t work on this, you’re Russian.”

I don’t support the Russian Government or its actions in any way, but these devs are probably not part of it. They maintain drivers for fucking ASUS hardware.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 65 points 4 weeks ago (12 children)

Because there are both US and EU laws preventing code from countries deemed a threat. Torvalds is paid by the Ameircan Linux Foundation, which has to work under US law and he himself is an EU citizen. Also a lot of other developers are from those countries and if they do not comply, they could get into some pretty bad legal trouble.

So it pretty much boils down to kick out the Russians or kick out all US and EU citizens and well we see Linus choice.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 weeks ago (20 children)

This has nothing to do with open source. If Russians want to work on the Linux kernel, they're absolutely free to do so, because the source code is free and open source. What they are being restricted from is getting their changes submitted to the normal Linux foundation trees. FOSS doesn't mean you're entitled to have the maintainer of a project look at your patches, it means you can use the software however you want.

And yeah, it makes me sad that Russian kernel maintainers are being excluded. That doesn't mean it's a violation of open source philosophies (a maintainer can exclude anyone they want for any reason), it just means it's an unfortunate policy due to international sanctions.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 46 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (22 children)

The central project of open-source community closes doors to people based on nationality, and everyone is cheering...

Why? You seriously miss the implications of breaking the very basic principles of open source? You are ready to forgive literally anything if it is claimed to target Russia or Russians in any way?

For those of you who say about backdoors:

  • US is known to create the most complicated spy networks with myriads of backdoors. Where are the bans of the US maintainers?
  • Israel is a literal powerhouse of state-sanctioned spying software - Pegasus, as well as many less renowned programs, was created here. Any bans, anyone?
  • China is known for invasive software. Maybe ban them all too?

The only reasonable way to avoid backdoors is to meticulously check the submitted code. Threat actors can be anywhere - and Russia is not some unique threat location, nor was it banned with that justification - just "compliance requirements".

This is politics permeating the sacred place we all had. This is a giant threat to the community, and the way Linus framed it in his message is even more terrifying. This was never meant to happen.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 49 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

The only reasonable way to avoid backdoors is to meticulously check the submitted code.

Which is the job of maintainers. Which now aren't Russian, any more. To the best of my knowledge the kernel is still accepting code from Russian citizens, ultimately not having Russians in maintainer roles isn't going to stop the FSB from infiltrating the kernel but it certainly does make it harder.

This also isn't in any way a judgement on the removed people, it's just that it so happens that if you're a Russian citizen you're quite vulnerable to wrench attacks. You could even say that the kernel org is protecting them from being used like that.

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[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 26 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I’m actually shocked by how people are acting about this.

You see, it’s actually a really bad thing to ban devs from an open source project based on nationality over all else. “Oh, but they are state actors!!!” How do you know? Because they are Russian?

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[–] hitwright@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I'm surprised how many people treat GPL to ignore borders. The IP law still operates only by the rules your country decides.

I can understand the desire for information to be free, but unless Open source movement becomes it's own country the discussion should end there.

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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 35 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 30 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

No changes until China decides to invade Taiwan and the sanctions that Russia currently has begin.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 29 points 4 weeks ago (14 children)

Yeah, China are being "generic assholes" right now, but not crossing the lines into "serious villain shit" yet, at least for people who aren't in China.

But if they touch Taiwan, oh hell yeah.

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