I generally like Biden and I’m still more motivated by voting against trump. I’m amazed on a daily basis how many ignorant school shooter wannabes roam around here chanting fantasies without any basis in reality convincing themselves that they aren’t culpable if they don’t accept reality.
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Not me. I’m motivated on making sure myself and all my loved ones get to continue to vote. Stopping Trump and voting for Biden just so happen to line up for that.
Exactly. "Voting for Biden just to stop trump" is a pretty meaningless statement.
there hasn't been an election where it wasn't choosing the least bad person.
I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support overshadowing the need to stop some particular bad person instead. As misguided as I think it is, Trump voters also are all about Trump less than stopping Biden. I can't personally remember a race where "the other side must be stopped" as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
Yes, third party candidates are dismissed in a self fulfilling prophecy, but also that reality drives most reasonable would-be third party candidates to one of the viable parties, generally leaving third party candidates that wouldn't be that popular anyway.
I think as candidates Clinton, W. Bush, Gore, Obama, McCain had sincere support
Joe Biden was better and more progressive than literally every one of those guys. It's not Biden's fault that you haven't been paying much attention.
I can’t personally remember a race where “the other side must be stopped” as pretty much the sole consideration among the voters until the Trump era.
I can't personally remember a president who has achieved more progress than Joe Biden, and I can remember every president starting with Nixon.
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One day the USA will get a president that has more to offer than not being his opponent.
No they won't, their lesser evil bullshit will keep creating a progressively larger evil. So there will always be a boogeyman to sell.
As far as I'm concerned we only have one legitimate party at the moment and that's the one I'm going to vote for.
But, even though Biden isn't nearly as progressive as I'd like, he still beats the brakes off of any other democratic president we've had other than Jimmy Carter, so I wouldn't say he's doing a bad job per se.
If he were running against a "rational" Republican I'd still vote for him, so I wouldn't say I'm motivated solely by my hatred for Trump.
Biden, DNC, establishment Democrats and Boomer Democrat voters: Okay guys we need to figure out who to elevate in the 2028 Republican primaries who's just as vile as Trump so those uppity leftists will have to keep voting for our pro-corporate asses.
Learn about the electoral college. We're literally forced into this 2 party choice.
Yes which Boomer Democrats exploit in the primaries.
So why can't leftists organize and overpower the boomer dems in the primary?
Because decades of being marginalized by Boomers have left generations after them trained to think their participation has no effect. Which is precisely the intention. You're happy it works right up until the point where we don't vote for your geriatric genocide supporting procorporate trash of a human being in the general election.
Because decades of being marginalized by Boomers have left generations after them trained to think their participation has no effect
That's on you and nobody else. It's incredibly stupid for people to think your participation has no effect. Dems typically beg people to participate in every primary and election and the GOP typically hopes few people participate.
What a pathetic deflection away from the fact that Democrat boomers are still boomers and vote like the selfish pieces of shit they are.
yes, we understand that you don't like boomers.
Yeah, I'm quite upset you would abstain and let a fascist walk in, sure. That is fair.
But you're deliberately avoiding the question. If leftists are so numerous and their views so popular, WHY CAN THEY NOT OVERPOWER THE BOOMER DEMS?
Face it- you do the same shit everyone else does. You cry and whine because you didn't get your way and you stop all effort. You didn't get every damn thing you wanted (besides student loans forgiven, medicare insulin capped, biggest climate bill ever, a president walking in a picket line, etc.) so it's time to give up? It's time to abstain because of genocide knowing the other actual choice would be FAR WORSE for Palestine (let alone everything else)? But hey, at least go go gadget would get to be all haughty and on their high horse saying "my conscience is clear" while everything gets worse.
Maybe be in it for the long haul and be the change you want to see. Again- if leftists are so numerous they should have no problem pulling AOCs all over the place and changing the landscape dramatically. The right can do it so why can't the left?
Again, I'm not upset you have morals and want to end the genocide in Palestine, etc. I do too. I want better healthcare (either nationalized, single payer, some universal with public/private a la Germany, etc.), I want better social safety nets, guaranteed parental leave, etc. I think a lot do.
I'm upset that people like you bitch and moan all the goddamn time and act as if you're so marginalized and so victimized that you not only abstain yourself but convince others to do the same, or don't vote in primaries, or don't volunteer, etc.
You need to face up to the facts- either leftist/progressive voters are NOT as numerous as you all think and you get represented precisely how much you should be given how big the tent has to be in a FPTP system or leftist/progressive voters are numerous and are simply extremely apathetic where they can't be bothered to turn out for someone that isn't basically their knight in shining armor. In which case, again, they get represented EXACTLY how much they should because they are lazy and flakey and not worth anyone's time courting.
I don't want to beat people down but I'm tired of people acting as if there is a huge groundswell of support. Study after study and election after election show that the issue is exactly as I described in the previous paragraph. Either show up and be counted or continue to whine when things don't go your way.
If leftists are so numerous and their views so popular
they never made such a claim. in fact, all the evidence is that dems don't care if leftists vote at all.
all the evidence is that dems don’t care if leftists vote at all.
Since Dems are leftwing all the evidence is the exact opposite of your claim.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics/barack-obama-speech-transcript/index.html
Obama in 2020: This president [Trump] and those in power – those who benefit from keeping things the way they are – they are counting on your cynicism. They know they can’t win you over with their policies. So they’re hoping to make it as hard as possible for you to vote, and to convince you that your vote doesn’t matter. That’s how they win. That’s how they get to keep making decisions that affect your life, and the lives of the people you love. That’s how the economy will keep getting skewed to the wealthy and well-connected, how our health systems will let more people fall through the cracks. That’s how a democracy withers, until it’s no democracy at all. We can’t let that happen. Do not let them take away your power. Don’t let them take away your democracy. Make a plan right now for how you’re going to get involved and vote. Do it as early as you can and tell your family and friends how they can vote too.
barrack "I'll kill you at a wedding" Obama, barrack "I lied about closing gitmo" Obama, barrack "expand the surveillance state Obama is not going to tell me what to do.
this is also not evidence that Democrats even know where the left is.
when you get me a democrat that wants to close the prisons and the banks and end the institution of private property and the state, I will vote for them.
And that's okay.
It's really not, because a lot of left of center voters just won't bother to vote for someone they don't like.
Then frankly, they are idiots. Any foolish “protest vote” come November is just helping Trump.
The protest vote is the one cast against something, exactly like democrats are gonna do in November,
We aren't "protesting" anything. We are safeguarding America's longstanding core values of democracy and the rule of law.
Thats cute
We don't value democracy and the rule of law because they are "cute". We value them because countries that don't have them are a nightmare to live in.
The party that sues to keep 3rd parties off the ballot, is a private corporation that can select their own candidates, and gives voters no choice but their hand selected candidate is the party of democracy?
is a private corporation that can select their own candidates
You want the Republicans and Democrats to be public corporations? The Democratic charter has specified since the 1950's that voters chose the candidates.
And the DNC argued in court they are a private corporation that is not bound to follow their own bylaws.
Nope. A lawyer argued to win his court case that the DNC could legally CHANGE their own bylaws to abolish primaries. Which is technically true. The RNC can also do that due to the lack of government regulation.
I honestly wonder what I'd do if a non-maga candidate replaced trump. Not vote for them, but I might vote for a third party at that point. Unless something changes, it wouldn't much matter; my voter registration is in a place that is very comfortably red so I'm not going to be able to change that.
Trump isn't much different than any generic Republican. Bush was far worse than him.
LMFAO. Bush was terrible. Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump has been rated the worst president in history by historians. Biden was ranked the 14th best BTW
https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th
Damn Trump didn't lie about WMD's in Iraq killing >1 million people but he's a convicted sex offender! That's so much worse!
Didn’t you say you were never going to post here again after accusing the mods of being Zionist genocide supporters?
Just curious.
Remind me again why Ozma was banned from here
So, did you set a specific date for when you’re going to leave this community like you said you would? Because I know if I thought the mods were…. “Genocide supporting zionists”, I wouldn’t feel comfortable supporting their community with content for any longer than I had to.
A community that only gets to see one view of the world is the one that most needs factual correction.
Why does reddit r/conservative ban anyone that opposes their viewpoints? They want to keep the echo chamber going.
So you lied. interesting that lies should come from someone that’s banned for misinformation so often.
Who’d have thought it could happen.
Where was the lie?
Biden
a Catholic president with a prosecutor for a vice president
the last four years have consisted of abortion rights being stripped, Cop City built to train police to subjugate citizens by razing a national forest, workers protested and were told to stop on threat of their livelihood with no change in worker's rights or higher wages, immigration policies have deteriorated, food cost are astronomical and inflation is rising on everything without stopping, journalism is dying due to corporate buyout with journalist being silenced
but Biden who is a career politician going on almost half a century now who is running against a career donor is progressive
when was he ever progressive? what about Harris? have either of these two been progressive at any point in their careers?
Biden worked on laws and policies that would put people in jail and Harris worked her career enforcing such laws
If a Catholic and a Prosecutor with a resume of putting the citizens in their proper places is progressive then yes we are truly fisted in the ass and gaped with no chance in hell
Cop city? How the hell are you managing to make your mental stretch that wide that you include local Atlanta issues to criticize president biden?
Atlanta is 1 of nearly 100 cop cities being built. All of which will be trained by the IDF
Biden during the last election said he would try to get the police under control and he ran on a green platform
cops getting a whole city built for them so they can train to keep citizens subjugated while razing a national forest to do so with Biden not saying or even trying to do anything not even making it a talking point during speeches this current election
not to mention this current policing and the current environmental issues that need attention in this country are in part due to bills he had a hand in such as the crime bill
so yes him as president and before that as a career politician do criticize Biden
and that is why we the people will lose this election as well
we either stop supporting bad candidates from any party or we get stuck with them
why the fuck does any want four years of Trump or Biden is wild
Both are too old and both are set on taking us way back in time
already lost women's rights and worker's rights
how much do y'all want to lose?
guess we will see in the next four years what we get to lose next already getting to the point crossing state borders is difficult
This guy is going to “both sides” himself into a right-wing dictatorship.
I mean, yeah.
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