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“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

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[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 107 points 1 month ago (12 children)

If you are an American voter and you sit this one out or vote 3rd party and Trump gets in you are directly supporting escalation and taking whatever little restraint away that Netanyahu is feeling from the USA.

Instead of calls for restraint you will have cheerleading from the sidelines.

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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it’s quite different from Trump’s bombastic rhetoric: He has repeatedly said that Israel has to “finish the job.” The former president’s Friday comments appear to be an attempt to paint Biden, and by extension, Harris, as being less supportive of Israel than him

Trump wants genocide escalated and completed on a faster timetable. If you don’t think that includes the West Bank in the long-term plan, you’re being naive.

Biden is trying to get a ceasefire deal from a madman. Harris needs to win the election and can’t if Israel turns against her. Trump actively wants to commit accelerated genocide on Palestinians.

Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 1 month ago (17 children)

What now "genocide" folks?

Still think Trump is the better choice for Palestine and Gaza??

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 month ago

Oh I know. It was to call them out.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (26 children)

From a purely strategic perspective, is this wise of Trump?

My impression is that even many American Jewish people don't like Netanyahu. And he doesn't need to remind anti-Harris protest voters that he's even more anti Palestine. Many MAGA diehards don't even like Netanyahu.

Like... who is he appealing to? Older Republicans, I guess, who remember Israel's early days?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He's appealing to people that hate Muslims.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And people who think the rapture starts with a holy war in Jerusalem.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

The "left behind" Christians, who want nothing more than Armageddon.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Occam's razor....

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If he can keep steady poll numbers after an insurrection, my guess is that this won’t impact him at all.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Polling doesn't capture turnout changes. This is the kind of thing that's largest effect, if materialized, would be boosting dem turnout

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[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Oh, I don't think there's any political calculation to 99% of what Trump says anymore. This is more about how much he likes "strongmen". Hell, lots of folks in Israel don't even like Netanyahu anymore.

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[–] errer@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This dumb fuck is gaining in the polls.

I just…can’t anymore

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that the polls right now are also being flooded with right wing aligned groups

https://flood-watch.vercel.app/

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

Yeah, polls much like any mathematics based discipline are susceptible to garbage in garbage out. You can have the perfect model but if the raw data put into it is shit then all youll get out of it is shit.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Honestly, is there anyone alive today with more blood on their hands than Benjamin Netanyahu?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's sad to say, but yes. Gaza is a horrific tragedy, but it is an admittedly small corner of the world.

The Palestinian health ministry has reported 40,000+ Palestinian dead. Meanwhile, George W. Bush is responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis following his completely unnecessary invasion of Iraq. He's still kicking, probably using some of that blood on his hands for the painting he does now.

Putin is also pulling comparable numbers as Bibi in Ukraine, though that conflict has been going on for a little bit longer than the one in Gaza. But that's also not counting how many of his own men he sent to their deaths, which is estimated to be over 100,000.

Henry Kissinger would also be on this list but thankfully it's been almost a year since his long-awaited demise.

And that's really only looking at conflict. Not factoring in others who are responsible for large-scale humanitarian crises that may end up killing many more people just from disease or starvation.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

The Palestinian health ministry has reported 40,000+ Palestinian dead.

That only counts people who get found, obviously it doesn't count the tens of thousands who are dead or dying under the rubbel. The real number is probably an order of magnitude higher.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not to detract from your point, but the real number of deaths in Gaza is estimated to be between 100-200 thousand.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Trump's response to covid. Putin's entire career. Kim Jong Un's slow starvation of his entire fucking nation. But Netanyahu is up there and we should stop letting him write our foreign policy.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

don't forget ~~Mao~~ Xi.

sorry, Pooh bear.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly, yeah. Whoever is running the genocide in Sudan, probably.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

"He's doing a good job,"

thanks, Hitler

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Trump wants, and largely has, the "Nuke 'em all and let God sort 'em out!" vote.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And yet, if comments on this site are to be believed, he's still also getting the, "We refuse to vote Democrat because we're against the genocide!" crowd (sorry guys, but not voting or voting third party is a vote for Trump. You cannot escape it).

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[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago (30 children)

True. I think it's more about whether Harris can pull in the "genocide bad" folks, or loses them to third-party protest votes. Of course if any of those folks were paying attention to the crap coming out of Trump's mouth, they'd understand how much worse Trump will be. I had folks (hexbear and .ml of course) on a different post telling me that not only would Harris and Trump be the same on this, but that Harris would actually be worse. And of course they're willfully ignoring how bad Trump would be on everything else.

I have a suspicion that part of what's pushing Harris' campaign strategy right now to focus on courting more "centrists" is that they know whatever she did to appeal to the left that's not voting for her would never be enough to satisfy them. Far easier to court the middle with straightforward messaging than to appeal to a voting bloc that is already determined to hate anyone that's not as chaotic as they are.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you're exceptionally fascist, Trump will allot you extra praise. This is earnest as well - it's because he was mentored by a fascist type personality in Roy Cohn - and raised by a ruthless racist Capitalist in the form of his father who refused to rent his properties to black people (putting a 'c' on their applications to indicate they were people of color).

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Disconnection From Reality #29874

[–] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 month ago

God. I can't believe how the bots are shifting the Overton window and how successful they are.

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