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The article is actually decently well written good-faith satire meant to address how poverty and hunger are inherent to capitalism as a system. The title was just too bold lol

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[–] 10_0@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

He's not wrong, but having people work like that is more of a desperation work than a "I'm not going to die" work. Tbh he should've defended hiring addicts because they need money for drugs and the like, similar problem with starving people though in the root of the need to work. The minor difference is that addicts won't die, it'll just feel like it.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 180 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So he's not defending/promoting "world Hunger", just arguing that it's not a bug but a feature developed to have cheap labor, and that the people in power don't want to end it

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Sounds good at a glance, but when you look at the way he reaches that conclusion (that the threat of hunger is the only reason people are willing to work), and his solution (for a class of "intellectuals" like him to take charge) however, are just neoliberal swill..

[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Maybe they should build a city in the ocean where these intellectuals have full control. Maybe experiment with some cool drugs.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Would you kindly come join us?

[–] Rudee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Sounds positively Rapturous

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Lmfao, I'd pay to watch them descend in to chaos as they insist on ranking each other by importance or whatever arbitrary measure of superiority they choose, because they simply can't function otherwise, until they all end up dead from refusing to "lower" themselves to cooperate with "inferiors".

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[–] Arcturus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I imagine the UN wouldn't let an author publish something that calls for revolution though lol

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

Sure, but they shouldn't be publishing this garbage either.

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Isn't this what Anarchists and other Anti-capitalists have been saying for well over 100 years? That despite having the ability for abundance, we use scarcity to extract labour from people to make rich fuckers money?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Lenin made the clearest case for it in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Financial and Industrial Capital is exported directly to the sources of raw materials and lower cost of living, which is then hyper-exploited for super-profits domestically.

Even within Capitalist countries, starvation is kept dangerous because Capitalism requires a "reserve army of labor," as Marx put it. It's the idea of "if you weren't doing this job, someone would kill for it" that suppresses wages.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 126 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

This is such a clickbait, and it backfired.

The actual point conveyed in the article is that world hunger is beneficial for the rich as it allows to operate sweatshops and employ people under tyrannical conditions over low pay, which is not far from modern slavery. Which is super bad for everyone else, hence world hunger must be stopped and rich should get the taste of their own medicine.

But people did react to the headline, and possibly rightfully so.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well i didnt read the article but it depends on the framing. Is he defending the capitalist status quo? If yes then he can go die of hunger imo. If the article points out that rich people benefit from hunger and that this is in fact bad, then thats cool.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

He does directly state the latter.

Here's an archived version of the article, courtesy to TheDarkQuark@lemmy.world:

https://archive.is/MObDZ

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

What a self own with the title then. Should have changed it to "The beneficiaries of world hunger"

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[–] Infynis@midwest.social 75 points 1 week ago (4 children)

hunger is "fundamental to the working of the world's economy"

I mean, he's probably right, but that means we should work to change the system, not throw more orphans into the crushing machine

[–] Bread@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

But the machine needs those orphans to keep going! Why would we want to deprive the system of what it needs? Won't anybody think of the shareholders!?!

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Which is actually said in the original article

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

there's no "but" -- this is exactly the point the author is making.

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[–] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Before you have an opinion on it, just read the article, it's just one page. https://www2.hawaii.edu/~kent/BenefitsofWorldHunger.pdf

The UN really shot themselves in the foot by deleting it, because the title only looks bad if you don't actually read the rest of the text, which they now made more difficult.

[–] match@pawb.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they probably would've just added [SATIRE] to the title

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[–] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

FEE is an American Libertarian think tank.

Let that help you figure out what’s actually happening here.

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[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, he's not wrong about hunger being an intended part of capitalism so workers are coerced into working for even less pay.

Calling it a "benefit" is very clickbaity though.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago

The article is NOT satire -- it's provocative. The author argues that world hunger benefits the rich. Capiche?

I hope the UN restores the article.

Interview with author: https://fee.org/articles/un-deletes-article-titled-the-benefits-of-world-hunger-was-it-real-or-satire/

[–] Generous1146@beehaw.org 24 points 1 week ago

Read that fee article as well and it seems like the author just stated, that certain institutions benefit from world hunger.

In the interview, Kent explains he was not advocating global hunger but was intending to be “provocative” by saying certain individuals and institutions benefit from global hunger.

“No, it is not satire,” Kent told Marc Morano, founder and editor of Climate Depot. “I don’t see anything funny about it. It is not about advocacy of hunger.”

It doesn't look like he's advocating for global hunger, but criticizing those who do benefit from it

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yo I see this shit posted all the time. The article was written in 2008 for the UNs magazine and meant to be satire. It has since been removed by the UN for being ambiguous.

https://communist.red/the-benefits-of-world-hunger-un-blurs-the-line-between-satire-and-reality/

[–] match@pawb.social 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

things that were obvious satire in 2008 are ambiguous now i love 2020s capitalism

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (5 children)

“No one works harder than hungry people”

While this is probably true, the problem is that their reward for this hard work in no way comes close to fixing their hunger problem.

Meanwhile the assholes in control of the economy and responsible for their hunger problem are taking all the rewards and hoarding it for no better reasons than to compare with other assholes.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Contending that it was what, assholes?

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Y'all should actually read the article because it seems like it's saying something completely different from what OP is trying to make it sound like. Basically, if I understood correctly, Kent was being critical of the idea that market-led solutions (i.e. capitalism fixes hunger) are better than community-driven solutions. He was also saying that hunger is part of capitalism, and you'll never get rid of hunger while capitalism exists, because capitalism needs to withhold resources to force people to work.

This paragraph seems to sum up the article pretty well:

In Kent’s view, one gathers, global hunger is not a complex problem that is being addressed by free market capitalism; it’s a moral one that requires empowering intellectuals like Kent to solve it.

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[–] TheDarkQuark@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

He calls it "not satire" but "provocative". So he doesn't mean it, but says it to provoke a reaction... Like satire.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It sounds like he just doesn't find it funny, which is why he doesn't want to call it satire.

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[–] chamomile@furry.engineer 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@sharkfucker420 It's a good thing "A Modest Proposal"[1] wasn't titled "The Benefits of Cannibalism" because I guess people would have taken that at face value as well.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

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[–] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Kinda like how Kevin O'Leary thinks more poor people incentivizes more business startups. As if homeless people and poor families are just a few business courses away from millionaire status.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Even if this article was some sort of thought experiment, what the fuck value does it have? Even if the outcome was very much “I’m against this,” I’m not sure what the point is, unless it does a good job of explaining what kind of fucked up things this has lead to in society (like sweat shops and modern day slavery). Even then, this kind of nonsense serves wealthy scum.

Edit: the article is very much satire. Thanks for the added context and commentary!

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