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I thought data caps for home internet were a thing of the past…

I’ve somewhat recently moved back to a very rural area of the Midwest. Small town. No stop lights. Biggest businesses other than the bars are Casey’s, Subway, and Dollar General.

And we have one ISP (not counting DSL) — Mediacom. When we first signed up, I had to go with the second service tier. But not because of speeds, but so I could have a reasonable 1 TB/mo data cap.

Lucky me, they increased the cap to 1.5 TB. 🙄

I hope that in my lifetime I can see ISPs regulated as a public utility.

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[–] dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In Switzerland you get unlimited 10 Gbit/s for 50 bucks.

[–] SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I hate you, congrats!

In Canada we have to give our firstborn to a telecommunication monopoly for somewhat OK internet.

[–] 0xCAFE@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

And for 80$/month you can get 25Gbps!

[–] StayFrosty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it actually 10Gbit/s or just marketing? And how's the latency?

[–] Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

The latency for 1Gbit/s is amazing, and i seem to get that speed. But i really don't have the hardware for more anyways.

[–] Jmr@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what the hell

[–] electriccars@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

WTF? 25gbps? Dang we really do have shitty internet in the States.

[–] 30p87@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

As a German I'm now even more scared how our politicians fucked up so bad that our neighboring country has basically double the average speed. Also, Vodafone's best speed is Gigabit, as in 1 Gbit/s or 1000 Mbit/s. And either 50 Mbps upload over cable or 500 with optic fiber, but later isn't available for me yet. And also, the cable option costs 50€ per month.

[–] Ryan@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Thailand I'm getting 400Mbps upload and download with unlimited data.

It costs about 300฿/mo ≈ $8.7/mo

[–] GatoB@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But you also get paid less

[–] Ryan@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Although I agree that people get paid less here, I highly doubt that it costs an ISP in the US 8x more to transfer data than an ISP in Thailand.

I'm not really trying to argue that Thai internet is cheap, it's that internet elsewhere is exorbitantly expensive.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

U should come to australia. Our internet is worse than most 3rd world countries. And u need a business plan to get symmetric upload thats so slow i doubt u could hit a 1tb cap if u tried.

[–] Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

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AP	WiFi Access Point
DNS	Domain Name Service/System
IP	Internet Protocol
IoT	Internet of Things for device controllers
Plex	Brand of media server package
VPN	Virtual Private Network

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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Dude... The US is doing it wrong. SE Asia. 1Gbps symmetrical, unlimited, unrestricted. ~14US$.

[–] randombullet@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Lol Germany here checking in 500/50 for 29.99

[–] quantum_mechanic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shit dude, I pay €20 for synchronous 1Gb/s.

[–] kassuro@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God, and I pay 45€ for 250 Mbit down and 50 up... Germany is so expensive in this regard. Could get 1Gb down and I think 250 up but that would cost like 90€..

[–] quantum_mechanic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I remember having really shit speeds when I lived in Berlin (10mpbs). Not only that, but the data allowances and price on 4g were absurd.

[–] kassuro@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah it's crazy, I live in a more rural area around Hamburg but have to commute to Hamburg from time to time. It's always weird, as soon I enter the city the 4 / 5G just becomes super slow...

[–] eatstorming@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Data caps are everywhere, I'm not sure why you'd think they're a thing of the past. I believe the scenario is more like "you're lucky if your plan doesn't have caps" instead.

1.5T/month is uncomfortable though. One of my VPN services has a 1T/month softcap (speed drastically reduces after that) and it's usually fine for my household, but one person going crazy on YouTube rabbit holes or us binging something on Netflix, pushes that limit fast.

Terrible scenario, but unfortunately I think there's too much money involved for the right thing to be done and this kind of service getting the treatment it should have.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No Datacaps for landline in Europe yeah.. In many EU countries you can also buy a mobile flat without caps for like 40€.

The US just doesn't have a good consumer lobby.

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry if this is nitpicking but as far as I know, there is no such thing as unlimited mobile data plans.

In most contracts they will say that you have to use reasonably the data plan and you cannot for example constantly max out your connection. Like 24/7 constant max bandwidth used.

In most case it doesn't really matter but I really don't like the fact that ISPs get to say it's unlimited when it definitely isn't.

It's unlimited*

Some restrictions may apply.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know where you live, but here in Austria you can get truly unlimited ones. People also use them instead of landline connections without any issues.

[–] cmeerw@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And depending where you live that might or might not work out well for you. If too many people in your neighbourhood use too much mobile data at the same time as you, speeds will decrease and unlimited data plans in particular will be throttled.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Never got into it that deep myself, I just know other people who never had issues. Prime-time streaming in full hd etc.

But I'm also pretty sure you can sue them, if they can't keep up the advertised speeds over longer time. Obv only when the infrastructure is actually available.

[–] cmeerw@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can sue anyone for anything, but no one is advertising any guaranteed speeds for mobile broadband, so your chances will be fairly limited. Best you can do is withdrawing from your contract.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

For unlimited data contracts you can usually pay different amounts for different speeds. They actively advertise with those maximum speeds and if you can never reach them, even tho they are available at your location, you can report them to a federal agency and take legally warranty claims.

[–] Tschuuuls@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Not that you will read 300+comments, but cancel and go with starlink. They probably call you back and offer you an uncapped plan :D

[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have 1gbps symmetrical for €17.95 in the Netherlands.

[–] Kazumara@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Wow that's a good price. I pay 64.75 Swiss Franks for that.

But at least it's a cool little ISP serving me. they offer 10 and 25 Gbit/s for the same price, just a bit more setup fee, because the transceivers are obviously more expensive. I've just not taken the plunge to upgrade my router and switches.

[–] Kazumara@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

"Allowance" what the fuck? Aren't they infantilising their customers?