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What's the plan when all the low skill low pay jobs are automated? With each new advancement, it doesn't feel cool and futuristic but sad and distopian. Like we all see it...
Eventually they end up homeless and then they can be arrested?
I mean, it's not a problem until it's my problem, and then it's an urgent one. Am I doing this right?
If only there was a way to Know the crisis is here...
And it's fully constitutional to enslave convicts. So tons of free labor for every company who wants it, and then I guess export everything they help to make since nobody here can buy anything?
I often wonder this. Who do these companies think will be paying for their goods and services when nobody can afford them? And a little further down that stretch, when they pay so little that working full time still doesn't cover rent and groceries, who will bother with showing up to work at all? If you're gonna be homeless and starving anyway, might as well just own your own time and find your own food and shelter on your own terms.
I don't think they understand that if they exploit much harder, they'll be causing a societal collapse that will render their power meaningless. They're stripmining both America's labor pools and consumer pools in one fell swoop, and they won't be invited to neighboring mines afterward. And then the most capable people will understand what is happening and leave, so only poor, uneducated, and underskilled people will remain. Basically Mississippi, but for the whole country.
They are already planning for it, like a race to extract all before that point
This would be a good opportunity to highlight free education and/or technical certification for all. Whether it be college (white collar), trade school (blue collar), or something else, an educated work force will be well-equipped to handle such dramatic shifts in advancement.
free education
Best I can do is siphon more tax dollars away for private education.
Probably what happens in Charles Dickens novel, except everyone has smartphones now.
But tech bros don't think literature or history are important disciplines, so they don't even know what happens in a Charles Dickens novel.
If you're not aware, look up the automation paradox: https://ideas.ted.com/will-automation-take-away-all-our-jobs/
Every* automation advancement has lead to an increase in employment, not decrease. Most often jobs in the immediate sector are lost, but the rise in supporting sector jobs are bolstered.
Classic examples are the cotton mill and combine harvester. The number of agricultural workers declined, but the number of jobs processing agricultural product increased. Or with ATMs, the number of tellers needed per bank location decreased, but the total employment in the banking sector increased (banks opened more branches, namely in places where it was previously cost prohibitive).
As more things are automated, what's being automated becomes cheaper and more prolific, often increasing (or creating) new opportunities. There are so many historic examples of this, it's hard to justify "this time is different" predictions... Even for things like AI automating white collar jobs.
*Edit: almost every. It depends a bit on how you count the secondary jobs, and where those are located (automation combined with offshoring results in a net decline in some countries, but increase overall).
I think the underlying dynamic there is that automation in one industry led to cheaper goods, which led to consumer savings, which led to greater demand, which led to increased employment in other industries that eventually absorbed the displaced workers.
The differences with the current situation are that, firstly, decades of corporate consolidation have reduced competition and enabled automators to channel most of the savings to corporate profits instead of lower prices; and secondly, the fact that automation is affecting the whole economy at once instead of a specific industry means that an economy-wide increase in demand doesn’t cause a corresponding increase in the demand for labor.
So if the difference is corporate consolidation... Sounds like that's the real underlying issue then, not automation.
Economics has well established that monopolistic behavior by firms harms consumers & the overall economy (that's why we have anti-trust laws in the first place).
Don't conflate the one problem with another, as I agree the erosion of anti-trust laws is a bad thing and needs to be reversed. But that doesn't mean firms further automating things is now also bad.
I'd also say "automation affecting the whole economy at once" isn't unique. The industrial revolution was not isolated to one industry, its effects were economy-wide. Also true for the transportation revolution (trains & steam boats moved everything), telecommunications, and the internet...
They can't get their cars to self-drive on their own closed-loop tunnel in Vegas, but they're revealing a car with no steering wheel...
Tesla is a marketing company at this point
Always has been... since Elon took over
Are they also abandoning Twitter in equal measure? If so, great. If not, amateurs.
Wood be cool if some of their pr people got together and setup their own mastodon instance, that they only allow their own people to setup accounts and then they can join the fediverse.
Honest question. At what point will Tesla execs look at Musk and decide that keeping him at the helm is not in the company's best interests?
The board recommended that shareholders vote to give him his 50 something billion compensation package and move the incorporation to Texas. Shareholders seemed divided on the package award due to his erratic behavior, that there isn’t a dedicated captain of the Tesla ship (among other things such as shareholder governance) - but he got the package.
Hopefully they’re taking a harder look after sales took a massive hit, the Cyberturd launch was a flop and vehicles are filling lots unsold. I’m not holding my breath though.
I'm looking forward to the Tesla "Loss" memes.
They just decided he should be paid $56 billion dollars for his contribution... So, not anytime soon
I mean, he's been doing stupid shit the past decade and REALLY stupid shit the last few years... and yet the shareholders STILL voted to approve his 50 billion dollar bonus from the execs.
Wild guess, early 2025?
Trump is heading towards a loss. Trump is likely to do some really stupid (and dangerous) things between losing and inauguration. Musk is likely to help facilitate.
He's either going to do something really stupid and just get cut off or quickly backtrack and get weirdly quiet, followed by a "graceful" exit.
I'm not Hollywood, but I was saving for a Tesla. Then Elon turned into a giant douche. Now that money will eventually be spent on a different EV brand.
Turned into? 10 years ago it was obvious if you had open ears.
The "pedo guy" was the mask off moment. Unless you were in the industry and dealt with him first hand, it was hearsay and rumor and at the time, many of us wanted to see a revitalized space program and electric cars. We kinda just went along with his Hank Scorpio impression, thinking it was an act.
It took me longer to realize sadly. Was really into the nerdy side of him until he landed the first few falcons. Then I couldn't ignore the bullshit anymore. Sad to say.
Believe it or not some people may not have been investing significant amounts of time into learning about Elon Musk’s personality in 2014
Musk can suck a dick. What a piece of fucking trash.
I'm in the market for an electric car. I won't even consider a Tesla. Mostly because of Musk, and partly because of the shit build quality.
I remember seeing reports that Tesla models outside of the cybertruck have tanked. Goes to show which assholes are still clinging to this turd of a brand. Btw I saw that the panels above the door are glued to the body. Lol
Enjoy your shit cars folks.
It’s honestly quite sad to see what the brand has become. I have a model 3 that I got back when elon was just weirdo that smoked weed on rogan’s show and made sophomoric sex jokes. My car is a solid vehicle that feels fun to drive. There were a lot of really talented engineers that built a great product. I’d never buy another though.
I have a lot of safety questions about a driverless taxi. Unless the car gets inspected between every ride (doubtful), what’s to stop someone from staying in the car past their stop? Will I get jumped by the previous passenger? What if someone left something dangerous in it? People innocently forget things all the time, which sucks on its own, but malicious actors could easily exploit an unmanned public(ish) vehicle.
Hell, who cleans it? If someone vomited on their trip home from a bar, will I be greeted by their mess when the taxi comes to me? From what I know of people, rules for passengers can and will be swiftly ignored without a driver in charge to make sure the rules are followed. Cameras wouldn’t stop everything, and honestly, who would want to be monitored by a camera throughout a taxi ride?
It’s obvious that Elon’s never ridden in a taxi in his life.
Sure but those are solvable. Personally I’m nowhere near as optimistic about the self-driving. I hope we eventually get it and current tech is truly amazing but it’s just not acceptable.
So far self-driving has mainly proven
They already exist in San Francisco: https://waymo.com/waymo-one-san-francisco/
Not sure they’ve been around long enough for the problems you suggested to come up.
Those things have cameras inside, they just won't move if another passenger is still inside. There's definitely questions about how reliable driverless cars are from a safety POV, and a future where you don't own any transport and are at the mercy of some private corporation, but the stuff you mention is easy to figure out.
So basically they’re telling Elon to go fuck himself?
Human beings are strange animals. Tesla build quality has been suspect from the beginning. Why was that not the priority before now?
I'd assume it's because Tesla were one of the first to mass market EVs, and Musk's pandering made them seem like a good, progressive bet. Once people were locked into their purchase they don't like to admit that they might have made a poor choice. Or they were aware of the build quality, but figured that the brand was a safe bet, that they'd improve over time.
It's amazing what humans will get tribal over.