this post was submitted on 12 Sep 2024
167 points (96.6% liked)

World News

39082 readers
2909 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
all 24 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] poo@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Israel is truly disgusting

[–] Nomad@infosec.pub -5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The Israeli government is truly disgusting. FTFY

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

No.

Israel is truly disgusting.

Israel elects their leaders, Israel works in its armed forces, Israel allows this to happen.

To only blame the government is utterly atrocious, as if this is not the combined effort an entire nation working together to systematically exterminate the Palestinian people.

[–] roboto 9 points 2 months ago

Israel is a settler colonial apartheid state that got founded through ethnic cleansing and dispossession of the indigenous population and the majority of its non-Palestinian citizens see no problem with that. Israel is disgusting.

There are good Israelis who want to see an end to this 76 years lasting injustice but the very idea of Israel is disgusting to its core.

[–] anas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Can’t repeatedly claim you’re the only democracy in the Middle East, and not hold your citizens responsible for who they elect.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 months ago

I have so much respect for charity workers continuing to work in Gaza

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Humanity & Inclusion’s team in Gaza was aware that civilians were at the site since at least April — and that roughly 1,400 noncombatants were thought to be sheltering there, including more than 480 children under age 5, he said. The Gaza Civil Defense agency suggested the number of people sheltering at the facility, which had been an Islamic school for boys before it was transformed into a shelter, was higher, telling NBC News it believed thousands of people had been seeking refuge there.

The IDF had no idea. Sure. 😒

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can't seriously expect them to track every school, children's hospital, aid center and shelter they bomb, can you? They ask look the same after a while... Blood-stained rubble and twisted rear. They've got 4 day old Hamas newborns to genocide - priorities, people.

Absolute fucking demons, and living in a country whose government supports Israel (though I don't think my country is arming them) is sickening.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean, if they were demon, we could do some binding spell or something to contain them right?

Just ordinary humans, doing the same things ordinary humans did to their people, decades before. We really can be a messed up species.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I cast arms embargo, ICJ and ICC...

[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I just read an article that said both Kamala and Trump are keen on helping out. You know, with the indiscriminate murder of thousands of children.

I gotta say this is really dragging US's public image through sewage. People weren't too keen on the US's foreign policy after that Afghanistan withdrawal, but basically delivering a country and millions of dollars of military equipment to a terrorist group on a silver platter doesn't even come close to literally helping out murdering children and paying for it.

I sure hope the US government comes to their senses at some point in time, preferably soon and stops this for the literal sake of children. At this point what choice is even there for American people.

[–] JWayn596@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A lot of people dont understand US foreign policy. Do not interpret my post as taking a stance.

US foreign policy is all about 3 key issues, carrot and stick diplomacy, containing China and Russia, and protecting the global market.

Carrot and stick diplomacy is using positive reinforcement to make changes in totalitarian governments.

Containing China is all about making friends with countries near China and putting a base there, along with allowing companies, military arms deals, and joint intelligence to happen in that country.

  • That is why the US wants Saudi Arabia and Israel to normalize. And do to that, the US turns a blind eye to tons of bullshit done by countries in the Middle East. If they were to normalize, then a solid logistics chain from Europe to the Gulf can be established, and the two countries would bolster the front there. Then the US could pivot its power projection over to Taiwan.
  • The US is powerful, but its not tactically sound to manage three fronts at the same time.

If you remember how pissed off the US got when Russia put missiles in Cuba, then you can see why China and Russia will team up with everyone they can to foil this plan to contain them.

Since the world is now globalized, the US has to protect lots of boats carrying oil, chips, and food. If something fucks up, then everyone pays for it. Of course, if youre resisting western imperialism then its in your best interest to make people suffer by blowing up the boats.

Now geopolitics makes sense.

From here, then if youre an idealist, you can make an informed opinion on US foreign policy. Should the US continue its world police campaign at the expense of people suffering under its allies?

Can you achieve US foreign policy goals without suffering?

Will a reversal of US foreign policy lead to more domestic suffering in the West due to economic turmoil?

These questions should be debated and examined thoroughly.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The only purpose in normalizing relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel is to continue the divide and conquer strategy while destroying each country that opposes Israel. It's the same reason why the US showers Egypt with money, to keep it docile. As each potential enemy of Israel falls, they focus their attention on the next target. Saudi Arabia will have its turn later and when it does, the US will bring out things like involvement in 9/11 from its back pocket to justify crippling sanctions and either regime change or potentially direct military action.

Countries useful to the US get carrots until they've outlived their usefulness, then they get impaled on the stick. Just ask Saddam after the US used him to carry out the Iran-Iraq war. Israel supported Iran in that war, by the way, because playing your enemies against each other is part of the divide and conquer strategy.

[–] JWayn596@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I don't think the analogy to Egypt works, because they have a peace treaty.

We all know Israel and Saudi Arabia have a shared adversary in the form of Iran. The US wants them to normalize so they can take care of that front.

As for getting impaled on the stick, I'd say Pakistan got impaled on the stick, because its likely they were the ones hiding Bin Laden.

As for Saddam falling on the stick, that was due to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait over several reasons: a desire to reunify, oil, and Kuwait debt. That's on top of having a history of using chemical weapons for mass murder.

And as we know, the US loves oil, but so does the world. Globalized markets want to be stable, and the US helps with that

[–] BlitzFitz@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Well said. This is a very complicated subject that people always try to simplify down to a current issue at hand. There's never a true "right" answer, and isn't one that leaves all parties without some suffering.

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago