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Trump re-charged in special counsel election case due to Supreme Court immunity ruling (www.cnbc.com)
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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 142 points 2 months ago (5 children)

No real changes here, next date to watch is Friday, 8/30:

If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 08/27/2024

Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest  <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, had been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity.

The Supreme Court ruled that the President does enjoy limited immunity for "official acts", it now returns to lower court to determine what, if any, of his acts leading up to 1/6 were "official".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/supreme-court-donald-trump-immunity/index.html

On 8/27, a new federal grand jury re-indicted Trump on all four counts in a hearing this time excluding evidence barred by the Supreme Court.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/trump-indicted-federal-election-interference-case-supreme-court-immuni-rcna168503

Previously, Jack Smith had asked for a delay until 8/30 to determine a path forward, it would seem this new indictment is the path.
Conviction
Sentencing

New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - Originally scheduled for July 11, 2024, now delayed until September 18th following the Supreme Court's ruling on Presidential immunity.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/trump-sentencing-date-delay-proposal/index.html

Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered. n Trial - October 4th, 2024 hearing has been set to determine if Fani Willis can remain on the case.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.   3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial had been set to begin May 20, 2024, but was subsequently delayed indefinitely by the judge, and has now been dismissed outright under the claims that the prosecutor was not Constitutionally appointed.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-tosses-trump-documents-case-ruling-prosecutor-unlawfully-appointed-2024-07-15/

Jack Smith appealed Judge Cannon's ruling on Monday, 8/26 to the 11th circuit.

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/26/g-s1-19642/special-counsel-jack-smith-judge-cannon-appeal-trump-classified-documents
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.

There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.

The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/video/united-states-supreme-court-overturns-colorado-supreme-court-donald-trump-ballot-ruling/

[–] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 35 points 2 months ago

I am so appreciative when you post these updates! Thank you!

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

M V fucking P

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Most if the acts were part of his campaign. And from what I understand you can’t campaign as an official act.

Also he has nothing to do with certifying an election. That’s the VPs job.

Also. Thank you for this amazing breakdown.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, but the bullshit SCOTUS decision means that anything that might be part of an official act (such as communicating with the VP) is at least presumptively immune and can't be used as evidence until after you can prove it should not be immune.

This of course opens the door for Biden to simply order the military to kill Trump, then pardon whoever actually followed that illegal order. Since commanding the military and writing pardons are core constitutionally prescribed duties of the presidency they are absolutely immune and also cannot be used as evidence of any crime.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

If Biden had balls this might make him the most popular president in history right now.

But he won’t do that because democrats realize how fucking stupid that decision is. And if prosecutors are smart - like the one that just refiled the federal charges - they’ll argue that a jury found that these were not official acts and we’ll get to watch scotus try to argue that you can’t use juries to decide facts anymore.

[–] OlinOfTheHillPeople@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What is scheduled to happen on 8/30?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Jack Smith asked to have until 8/30 to decide next steps. I think the re-indictment today was that next step, but it's not clear if more is coming before then.

This may be it, followed by a new trial date.

[–] rhadamanth_nemes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Thank you!

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 110 points 2 months ago (3 children)

But Smith’s case was put on hold for months while Trump’s lawyers litigated their argument that he was immune from the charges because he was president at the time the alleged acts took place.

The Supreme Court took up the dispute. In a July 1 ruling vehemently opposed by its three liberal justices, the court held that former presidents enjoy “absolute immunity” from criminal prosecution for certain executive conduct and “presumptive immunity” for all other official acts.

I still can't get over the Supreme Court declaring that the U.S. effectively has a king.

[–] noride@lemm.ee 65 points 2 months ago (1 children)

While simultaneously defining themselves as the arbiters of that kingship, no less.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Shocked that there isn't a smoking crater where each of their houses used to be.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Imagine if the US was the only country with a constitution with a clause specifically for this kind of situation

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We should see if the Ukrainians have a spare handful of those new cruise missile drones available to visit the residences of the Tribunal of Six.

For real though, if those fucksticks actually try to ignore electoral results and hand the election to Trump, I genuinely do not see the situation getting resolved without a very significant level of political violence - perhaps even ultimately devolving into open civil war. Seriously, look at what Ken Paxton is doing in Texas only days ago. That is some authoritarian police state shit.

[–] aniki@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All rights are won through violence.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Except for the many times they weren't

[–] aniki@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

name one.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Easy. Women got the right to vote in America from non violent protests.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

However violence was inacted against them. They won those rights as a reaction to the brutilization they suffered in their fight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/11/10/night-of-terror-the-suffragists-who-were-beaten-and-tortured-for-seeking-the-vote/

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So the argument is that violence is good... because the bad guys once used it and lost because they did... ? wtffff

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No. The argument is that all rights are won through violence. The violence may just be against the people wanting rights

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

The violence may just be against the people wanting rights

... so it's still good violence, then?

[–] aniki@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This makes you sound bloodthirsty. Good luck with that.

[–] aniki@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Just hungry for the flesh of some politicians and billionaires, with a stretch goal of having a livable environment to retire in someday...

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Cannibalism isn't cool. Neither is murder.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

So you're saying america wasnt founded on violence?

Uh no and you know I said nothing like that and it has nothing to do with my point in the slightest.

Also your links do not prove that the violence was necessary. It was not.

Every horrible violent piece of human filth has believed what you're selling here. I find it horribly disgusting how many people think that violence is an answer. Keep your sewer thoughts to yourself.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Biden should really be taking advantage of that ruling and doing whatever the fuck he wants

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Riker should be along here momentarily to play a sour note

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world - it is your time.

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Odd. What’s taking so long.

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

He seems to have laid off for a while. His own subtle Riker trombone meme to the people that want it.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

This is why you don't weasel out of jury duty. God bless everyone that helped reindict this shit bag.

[–] clgoh@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

How the turntables.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Of course, because nothing has changed. He was doing these crimes before becoming president

It wouldn't surprise me that if it is why he gets people to call him president Trump still. Because it makes it seem he's still doing official duties.

He should consider himself lucky that he's not going to jail for rape too

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

All presidents are referred to as presidents after the fact. Sometimes they specify former or current but it's not necessary. Although, THE president is usually referring to the current guy.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 7 points 2 months ago

Good. Eff that guy, and especially eff Cannon and so-called Supreme Court.