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[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah shit, is this the time line where privacy isn’t needed cause people want better AI?

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

People don't need better AI. People are made to think they need better AI. Other than that yea

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

I’m not going back to typing my grocery list manually. So I’m fucked in that part of my life.

Edit: thank you to everybody suggesting privacy preserving methods of grocery list maintenance. I’ve already considered them.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Get mental help I guess. It may help

[–] actual_pillow@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

You could just write it down like some ancient wizard. Maybe even on a scroll of some sort.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 2 months ago

It seems a very valid reason to give up your privacy.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 1 points 2 months ago

I mean you could also write your grocery list per hand.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

You don't write your grocery list on a bit of paper stuck to the fridge...? I thought that was downright universal

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

so voice typing, huh? not really sure it matters at this point. I use an open source keyboard, but my inputs go right into the OS of the worlds largest spy organization.

on the other hand... this is a great opportunity to hone your handwriting and memory skills.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 0 points 2 months ago

I use „tasks“ for that. When i prepare to go grocery shopping I go to my fridge, open the completed „shopping“ tasks list and uncomplete what is empty. I then complete them again in the mall. Of course the list is hosted on my server.

You can also have a barcode scanner to automate the „done“ action. You could also put in a timer to automatically make things undone if they need regular buying.

In any case, using ai voice recognition for this is a massive waste of computing power for things that can be done by simple if else statements. Of course it is also a massive privacy invasion if you use big tech stuff for it.

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Why is Signal so reliant on Google? It's not even in F-Droid

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

There is a fork on F-Droid that isn't reliant on Google push (it uses Unified Push) called Molly. I donate to both Molly and Signal.

[–] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Signal is using Google Push messaging, but it could be used with websocket. And officially it's not on fdroid because they don't want forks of their app

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Yet the Molly fork supports UnifiedPush so I can reuse my connection with mf XMPP server to deliver notification from a server I control. Folks have asked for UnifiedPush or MQTT as an alternative to having multiple persistent socket connections open on your device, but Signal doesn’t seem to care.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

How would that prevent you from forking the app? F-droid isn't a repository for the code of the app. I don't think this is related at all.

I don't actually know the reason why it's not on F-droid but I assume it has some historical reason. It has never been on F-drroid since Text-secure. Moxy Marlinspike was strictly against it afaik. If somebody has more detail on it, feel free to share it.

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

You're not allowed to upload apps with proprietary blobs. Google Push services is a proprietary blob.

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

They are vehemently against self hosting as well.

[–] Keineanung@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm guessing its not fully open source, but I don't actually know.

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The App is open source, but they include google push services, which is not

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

I have yet to meet a person who gives a shit about AI. I have yet to meet a person who has intentionally used AI. It's all marketing bs and a way to mine our data.

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago

I had a classmate that was really exstatic about AI, like he basically believed its the second coming of christ. And then another one who was like "ohh look i can use this to make neat wallpapers". That was about all the resonance i got from my social circles.

[–] hswolf@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't like the idea o LLMs everywhere, but I do use chatgpt quite a lot as a point of entrance to any topic that I might not know the existence of yet

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Run a free model local

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago

It isn't.

I runs it local on my machine

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

I use LLMs just about every day. It's better than web-search for certain things, and is useful for some coding tasks. I think they're over-hyped by some people, but they are useful.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How else is AI supposed to grow? It's supposed to observe everything in existence.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then maybe it shouldn't grow.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It's why I'm not exactly a big fan of AI. The possibility that it can get out of control is worrisome.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I thought she made some very good points, but the quote in the title makes no sense to me.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

from the video...

I think we need to be very cautious with the AI narrative where we are being lead to confuse mass surveillance with intelligence and by doing so initiate these corporate technologies into the core of our social and governmental institutions.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did they mean "and be doing so insinuate" I wonder? Initiate makes some sense too, just odd phrasing.

Anyway! I'm getting sidetracked lol! Haven't even watched the video yet. Thanks for sharing the quote

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

there was a mental word search, glitch in the matrix moment right at that point - read into that what you will, cuz these days all options are valid.

"insinuate" is absolutely the very best word, but publicly one has to walk the fine line between complicity and hair-on-fire alarm, and so "initiate" came out of her mouth.

for the record, I think we are past the face-melting stage.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This isn't entirely true. AI is usually trained on public data such as Wikipedia.

AI is a tool. How you use it is what matters.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's also trained on data people reasonably expected would be private (private github repos, Adobe creative cloud, etc). Even if it was just public data, it can still be dangerous. I.e. It could be possible to give an LLM a prompt like, "give me a list of climate activists, their addresses, and their employers" if it was trained on this data or was good at "browsing" on its own. That's currently not possible due to the guardrails on most models, and I'm guessing they try to avoid training on personal data that's public, but a government agency could make an LLM without these guardrails. That data could be public, but would take a person quite a bit of work to track down compared to the ease and efficiency of just asking an LLM.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

What you are describing is highly specific to a particular AI model.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like cracking passwords / encryption and injecting itself into anything and everything that connects to the internet?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You can train AI to crack passwords/encryption lol. You do realize, AI right at this moment is being utilized for exactly that, right? Simply put, the very first step is to eliminate it's boundaries/guard rails, then proceed from there.

[–] OpFARv30@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can train AI to crack encryption

Oh do provide details.

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] elias_griffin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Very interesting tip, preciate that.

@PassGAN

Instead of relying on manual password analysis, PassGAN uses a Generative Adversarial Network (GAN) to autonomously learn the distribution of real passwords from actual password leaks, and to generate high-quality password guesses. Our experiments show that this approach is very promising.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago

No you can't, at least not in the way you think. You crack password by trying combinations. AI and machine learning are bad at raw attempts.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Wikipedia requires attribution, which AI scrapers never give.

It is "public" work, but under a license.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 months ago

Still public data

[–] JameUwU@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

OpenAI and Dall-Es lawyers would like to use your as a witness at their 87 court hearings coming up

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago

I self host so I don't care