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Federal data shows the national crime rate has dropped under President Biden

Donald Trump backed out of an interview after a local paper asked him for data to back up his continued baseless claims that crime is on the rise under President Joe Biden.

The Detroit News reported that Trump’s campaign had agreed to an interview with the former president on Tuesday after a campaign speech. However, the campaign suddenly claimed Trump no longer had time for the interview after a reporter began probing them on crime data.

“The Trump campaign had initially agreed that Trump would participate in an interview with The Detroit News on Tuesday,” state politics reporter Craig Mauger wrote. “But after the newspaper began asking about the Michigan crime data before the event, a campaign aide said the presidential candidate no longer had time for an interview after the speech.”

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 247 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Pulling out of a scheduled interview as part of a presidential campaign because the interviewer wants you to back up your claim sure is a weird thing to do.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 118 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

back up your claim

i can't recall a single claim he's ever made that he "backed up" with anything other than "everybody says so" or something similar

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

Oh he couldn't possibly back up his lies. But I love that he's so terrified of the press asking him to do it that he's running away from them.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 weeks ago

I can think of one, around COVID, when his "data" evoked this response

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

He had sharpy on a map to back up a claim once.

Yet another crime to throw on the pile.

It's illegal to misrepresent emergency weather information.

Drawing a sharpie to make people who were not in the forecasted path of a hurricane panic and seek shelter/evacuate should be a minimum fine/90 days in jail.

Obviously neither happened.

I've seen police show and threaten arrest up over someone using the emergency broadcast tones too loud at a park on a nice day. But (at the time) commander-in-queef gets free passes to do illegal shit at least once a week.

Totally the same legal system for ruling(owning)/non ruling(the poors) classes.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

yea, because it's the people who make their entire living being experts on the weather who are wrong, not this blubbering moron who refuses to let his school transcripts be made public

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Aren’t the questions usually arranged beforehand? You think that one would prepare in advance.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

It was easier to cancel the interview than to provide a source for his claim.

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 127 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Convicted felon Trump's kryptonite is a followup question.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I really wish this had been more of a thing in the lead up to the first election. Yes um source?

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

So your source is "trust me bro"?

[–] Enthusiasticwhale@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty much... Weird coward still is a coward

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[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 91 points 3 weeks ago

If this is all you have to do, then EVERY MEDIA OUTLET should do this. Not even hardball, just "ok can you show me some numbers?"

If that's all it takes to get this chicken shit weirdo to curl up in a ball, then fucking do it. He gets no airtime then other than his stupid rallies commemorating when he was pitted against an octogenarian.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 85 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So the key to keep him running away is to have the media actually ask him real questions? Let's keep asking and he'll never be on TV again other than fox.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

But that would require media outlets to actually have editorial independence. Sadly those days are long gone.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 84 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Hominine@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] nullroot@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] breakcore@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] nullroot@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, dogs. Sure, I like dags. I like caravans more.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Ma! Get me fookin' Adderall from oot the caravan. Jaysos Chroist. Any o you lads seen General Kelly? I got dags to foire!"

NGL Pikey Trump would have been amazing to watch.

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[–] Fish@midwest.social 79 points 3 weeks ago

Holy fucking shit, I wish mainstream outlets would take notes. Any time Trump talks about crime or immigration or really anything, all you have to do is bring up facts. Quit fucking meeting Republicans in the middle with their lying and bigotry.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 72 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I liked this at the end of the article:

The Washington Post estimated that during his presidency, Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements.

[–] eltrain123@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago

30,000 / (365*4) = 20.548

More than 20 per day, everyday… for 4 years. That’s more than 1 per hour if you exclude the hours he was sleeping. And factoring in all his time playing golf instead of working, he pretty much didn’t say anything that wasn’t a lie.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

I watched the debate between Trump and Biden and could hardly believe that there were no fact checks at all from the moderators. Sure, it would have been good if Biden had pointed out more clearly that almost every statement Trump made was factually incorrect. But can you really just tell any tall tales in your presidential debates without even mentioning any facts? That seems absurd. Is that the norm for presidential debates in the US? Or is it just that Trump would not have participated if there were fact checks?

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you think for a second that Trump would agree to a debate with fact checking?

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

No, but I thought the US public wouldn't let him get away with never engaging in a (factual) debate. That would make him look weak, because that's how democracy usually works. You know, arguments and counter-arguments - that sort of thing.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Trump lies at a rate where fact checkers can't keep up.

[–] Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Generally, it is more difficult to use the Gish gallop in a structured debate than a free-form one.

This sums it up nicely, and why I think he's like any bully: he picks his fights and only ones he can win.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It would have been best if there was fact checking as part of the debate, but as you speculated, there's no way Trump would agree to that. And, to be fair, it's probably a difficult thing to do live and accurately in timely manner.

However, other news agencies were doing fact checking during and following the debate.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The media are owned by the oligarchs and those mostly back Trump. Simple as that.

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That is a very weird way to phrase "Old man throws temper tantrum and refuses to do previously agreed upon interview when called out for lying"

As far as I'm concerned, every media outlet that sugarcoats things, or misrepresent things, or otherwise skews the truth about what the MAGAts are up to are 100% in bed with Republicans, and are mouthpieces for the MAGAgenda

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

He's really banking on the crazies overthrowing the election isn't he?

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[–] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Washington Post estimated that during his presidency, Trump made more than 30,000 false or misleading statements.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That seems like a really low estimate.

[–] poprocks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed. There's only so much budget and time they can commit to fact checking this turd. There's real news to report on.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 4 points 2 weeks ago

20 per day, certainly he had more than 20 interactions per day

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 weeks ago

Just so you know, trump is a known liar. Nothing he says can be taken at face value. Fact check everything.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

What a coward

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

Big strong man can't handle being questioned.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Talking about crime scares him. He's very worried the orange uniform will clash with his "tan".

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago
[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 7 points 2 weeks ago

Dementia DonOLD the weird racist rapist with 34 felonies had to take his snowflake ass and find himself a safe space.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Wish Trump's dad pulled out!

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 5 points 3 weeks ago
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

That's pretty weird.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

"Sir, just to be clear, are you leaving because you have no data to support your claim? Making you a weird, lying sack of shit?"

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